SurreyBlue wrote:
bondiblue wrote:
Drewgirl wrote:
Why is it that for years now the players have sulked and tried to run the joint. Old players, new players, it always ends up being the same for years now.
Who is the common denominater here?
As those players we talked about not being happy with coaches etc have long gone, now with different players they are not happy too.
I was speaking so many people about our womens program. They said the same things. Fractions between players, groups, favourites etc.
Its the whole club. I do wonder if other clubs have the same issues.
Its never ending at ours.
Drewgirl, the common denominator is rumours.
If you keep taking all the rumours serious you will do your head in, week after week, year after year. Many of those rumours are started by non Carlton people: the media. You know why.
There's supporters with half full and half empty ideals at every club, every week, till their team wins the Flag, then they rinse off over the off season, and repeat their doubts, and create more rumours to feed their hyped up self importance...just to say I'm right and you're wrong.
Last week the Pies and Pendlebury were world beaters. Have you heard what supporters think about the club's decision makers, let alone Pendlebury's decision to play on? Supporters are that fickle and reactive. It happens, regardless of so called "success". In other words, every team who has not won the flag in any given year is a "loser" in some of their supporters eyes.
Isn't it obvious that braithy and surrey blame everything on Voss. No offense to those two, but I'm sure they agree with that comment. I get the accountability for win loss ultimately falls on his, but decisions on his ability are made by considering all other factors instead of jumping at shadows.
Yes, we all agree, its Vossy's responsibility to influence devise a game plan suitable to the list on hand, and motivate those players, to execute the game plan, but when a player manager's get inside the heads of their players (see Curnow, SOS, Gov), or that injuries impact our player availability hence diminshing our chances to execute the game plan (see impact of injury on seasons 2022-2005), you have to wonder why Vossy gets the blame for that.
Rumours are just that.
Tell me what are the facts and are the rumours spruiked merely opinions, or made up stories, of the Chinese whisper variety, and worse.
I really feel for Charlie being put in this situation, and he knows the club wants him, but not going to let his tail (aka manager) wag the dog. Ball is in his manager's court, and he's got jack shit power, but a big mouth and big ideas without any power.
We are not the rabble your last sentence alludes to, otherwise the instability would be obvious. As for those people you talk to re AFLW, are they a group of players or staff close to the program? I'm not asking about perhaps one disgruntled individual, who missed selection, I'm interested in the team.
The team is bigger than the individual. I think Voss and Wright have made that clear. They have weeded out the problems, together. Why? To make us better. I think they will succeed, you don't have to.
Its going to be a long off season.
Hi Bondi,
It's pretty simple with me, as I am a straightforward person.
If you look at my posts until last year, I was backing Voss when some were calling for his head, even after the dismal selections at finals time, etc.
I did have an issue with his game plan, selections, standards which I also kept raising - and still do.
However, the end was this year when it was obvious the playing group just didn't believe any longer and the cracks started to show.
Now, digging deeper we hear he let players do what they liked and played favourites (which was obvious). To the extent the collective list has a meltdown.
Coaches are out, players are out, management are setting 'football standards.
Voss himself wanted Housten, like Docherty keeps mentioning, which tells me the leaders were aligned to the coach, but obviously they all weren't aligned to the club.
That is a deep issue also telling me the club wasn't fully all on the same page!!!!
4 years in charge and this is where we are - sorry I call it a failure on FACTS in front of us all.
We have imploded because the coach and players didn't read the play book and did what they wanted and left to do what they wanted.
Failure on so many accounts as the coach should be 1st aligned with the footy department / club and then the players aligned to the club plan. Tail wagging the dog.
Surrey, I know you're passionate about Carlton. I know you're post history. I follow you. You have been a consistent poster for 2 decades. But I can see you are breathing fire, and some of the comments you made in this post are ambiguous and I really don't want to highlight that.
More importantly, you state things as fact. So, from your digging you found out the truth. Tell me where did you do your digging, and where's the proof? Where's the hole from all the digging?
Is Docherty wagging your tail now? Is he your source? He's as innocent as the day. He states an opinion, but doesn't come close to the conclusions you are drawing from his innocent comments. Docs a man of integrity. His comments don't tell you anything, you're telling yourself and convincing yourself the conclusions you make are fact. Don't get yourself in such a tizz mate.
The non selection of Houston is a decision that doesn't rest on Voss, and never will be, and we've covered the reasons in response to braithy's assertions earlier in the year. braithy suggested it was salary cap (which was untrue), and you are suggesting the leaders 'boycotted' Vossy? Maybe the cost wasn't worth further consideration. Maybe they all decided he wasn't worth $800K for 5 seasons. Whoever made the decision not to pursue Houston, even if it was one, obviously has a great footy mind. Probably Cook. Houston did not do anything to suggest he's a $600K player. Ditto TDK and SOS.
As for saying as a matter of fact, there is a player exodus and even suggestion the players gave up playing for VOSS, just because it was suggested by some fans, doesnt make it fact. In fact, the return of ONE of the 16 injured, Walsh, mader a huge difference to our last 3 games. Players looked happy, united and playing to win for mine. Hey, the won games too. Makes a difference when the nonchalance of Curnow, Gov and SOS were absent.
What a coincidence.
Prior to our winning streak when Walshy returned we had 16 players injured. Amongst them, 8 players under 21yo, and Young at 23, Boyd and Durdin hadnt done the preseason. Maybe they were worn out and only good for a half, ran out of puff or carrying injury and we reached the tipping point. Possibly? Think about it.
Its not all as you say it is. Its not fact.
As for the exodus. Name the proponents of the exodus and tell me who didnt leave for better money. Hint, Power did too.
Why shouldn't assistant coaches be under the spotlight? Vossy has been all year, since round 1 when we were playing with 13 out injured and ran out of puff after half time. Tipping point? Not only that, he performed well in support of his players and in representing his club. Our club. He's more than an orator. Give him a break. Start with facts not rumours.
I thought you were finding the Charlie rumours unbearable. Why? Because there's no basis to them, other than his Manager telling him to be "open" to a trade for a potential huge pay day for his Marketable persona (of which his manger would reap 9%). We are Carlton, not Swans or GCS. We are more than the individual. Those teams need a face to market. We are bigger than the individual.
Only one player in our squad is on $1M+ and his name is Cripps. He's a dual Brownlow medallist, won one won by a record. He's also the captain and face of the team. Is that too outlandish to pay? But lets go with the rumours started by the media about our cap.
You want to play for Carlton then stay for the offer we give you, if not, fk off. That's all that's happened, and I'm proud of the leaders for taking that stance. Charlie hasnt said he wants to leave. Funny that.
Everything I mentioned is factual. You don’t need to believe it. That’s ok.
Also, all assistant coaches should be sacked. They all failed along with Voss.
Charlie talk will be unbearable. What is a that an issue?
2 of our players are on 1m+ - Weitering is the other. I don’t have an issue with our salary, it seems I am one of a very few.
We haven’t been relevant since entering the AFL. Stop living in the past. Maybe if more of us demanded success, the club would take it seriously.
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