Molsey, the truth as you scribe is hard to ignore. Im being too much of an idealist i suppose

i'd love to see us fight it though. talk about pivotal moments if it came off

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We should have been more vocal when they changed the rules this year to eliminate us by half a game, we should be bitching our arse off and rightly so it will a long time till a side has as bad a run as us in the last five years. We're still bottom and they go and change the rules which have helped better placed clubs benefit!
If your getting it up the rear at least let out a yelp and maybe someone hears, e.g Fantasia isn't that happy about Gibbs missing F/S.

The club did a Hird last year and thought we were going to be contesting finals in 2006 so did not place any importance on letting known their objections. After all, they probably thought we would never need to worry about it!!!

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ill tell you what we have.
we have a club that is totally in disarray...

no ifs no buts.. its totally in disarray.

changes were meant to be voted on at 4 pm in smorgons sth melb office at a board meeting.

in the meantime smorgon.. sticks malouf and pagan went out on their own without board consent and delivered a pitch of unity to the media.

the problem is this couldnt be further from the truth and its all about people shoring up their own positions.

Its only a matter of time before it all REALLY FALLS OVER....

The problems have not been addressed and nothing has changed except were pretending some more.

People are seriously pissed off within the board.

As for the priority pick.. we will now ask the AFL for it again............

Some of you people have no clue about how this club is travelling without a rudder right now...

*we have a board thats totallydvided and became even more divided as of yesterday..
We have a coach who is hanging on by the skin of his teeth... and does not have the confidence of the majority of the club.
We have a CEO who has very little support among the board or the findings of the AFL report.
We have a president who is more interested in shoring up his position than working on the fundamental weaknesses of the club.

Interesting times ahead.. but black

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That's why he wants the numbers reduced.





We're going to say 'pretty please with a cherry on top' this time.

Why is the issue of the PP one that you treat with such scorn? I just dont understand why you think it matters so little. Do you think we deserve what's ended up happening out of all this?

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Look you dont reduce the numbers of morons.

You get as many people in .. work out who has something to offer then reduce....

We dont have enough cluey.. people with a backbone to reduce now...

Thats just stopping others from jumping on board who may have something to offer...

He wants the numbers smaller because it suits him right now....


People point at well run clubs and say "They have 6"

6 morons cant run a club.. thats the difference

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We were in a position of strength while we were negotiating with the AFL for stuff.....

Thats when you make these deals.. (In WRITING)

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It was reported - rightly or wrongly - that one of the things being considered at the board meeting was whether to pursue the legal angle further regarding the 02 PP. If the answer to that question is that the board decided not to because after weighing up the probability of success and the associated legal costs it considered a legal challenge to be legally or economically unfeasible … well that’s fine. But someone should communicate that back to the fans so we know what the hell is going on. If that’s what you are trying to do, then you should say “the club has decided not to take it further because we can’t afford itâ€

PS - thanks for the update Synbad. Why am I not suprised

The draft penalties should have been contested immediately after they were handed out. I said at the time when we accepted the dosh from the AFL we might as well hand in the keys and we have. We were not allowed to sack our own coach. You're dreaming if you think we can fight the AFL now. There are bigger issues than the PP and that is throwing out this entire board. They know they are on their way out and trying to get the PP is their last ditch effort like Jack with Pagan.

Fair enough, but the issues are mutually exclusive
My issue isn't with the penalties. I think that fight is futile but apparently legal advice indicates otherwise.
I think excluding us from a PP this year is manifestly unjust and an excessive burden on our club. This is what I believe we should be fighting.
If our incumbents think that it will save their skins then so be it but this contest shouldn't depend on that
I want the board gone too. They're incompetent and are exacerbating our plight
The only reason we cant fight it is because we are essentially a rabble with misguided, useless fools manning every post on deck!
Thats what makes me sad...

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Agree with all of that...

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If we don't fight it's because we are run by the AFL.
That was always going to be the problem.
Well done Smorgen and team, great move.

When is some-one who wants to look after Carlton's best interest going to stand up and challange.

With you 1000% on this issue MarciBlue its a god damn disgrace what the AFL has done and I have no doubt "The Spew" new the consequences of changing the PP rules this year.

It is his way of making up for "going easy" on us in 2002 - and you better believe me when I say that "The Spew" thinks the AFL went easy on us in 2002.

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I think the AFL was right to tighten up the PP rules, Collingwood getting one last year was a complete farce.

However, I think the AFL deliberately changed the rules to preclude any club from qualifying this year to stop any whinging from other clubs if only one or two had a chance to qualify this year.

In hindsight, considering our situation, this is grossly unfair. But we have buckley's chance of the AFL changing it. Our best bet would be for Smorgon to write to every other club and plead our case, and ask them (each CEO and President) to sign a petition to the AFL to support us getting the PP from 17 moved to 2. If we got close to a consensus we'd at least stand a small chance.

Steve, these are the same people who enforced the AFL in 2002 to go hard, these are the same people who danced on our grave and are circling now around our carcus. Sorry mate, Ain't going to happen.

Agree Surrey, I think it's unlikely, but i reckon it's the best bet. If you got plenty of support you'd go public with the campaign and hope that the press started asking difficult questions of the AFL. Again, as I said, it would only be a small chance, but I think it's better than legal action, because firstly we can't afford it (the AFL has much deeper pockets than we would, secondly it wouldn't be resolved before this draft anyway, and thirdly because it would stop the board from being distracted by the legal case from actually running the club and trying to improve our financial position.

Cheers AGRO. The spew seems to have gotten away with it again.
Collo let him arse-f@^k our club in 2002 because he had his own agenda and waging war against the those nazis wasn't in his interests
And now we have a bunch of flower in power who if they fell into a barrel full of nipples would come out sucking their thumbs, that's how f#^king useless they are!!!

And the common denominator in all this is that the spew continues to feed his evil lust to destroy our club at every opportunity. And so far he has done so without any resistance...

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C'mon Blueboys!

We have a winner. Sad, sad state of affairs.