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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:28 pm 
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Pratt won't pay out his contract because she argued to the Mathieson camp he was the wrong Man for the job.

I would suspect the entire club knows Mick is gone. At this point, it's too costly to pay out his contract and appoint a caretaker coach.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:30 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:39 pm 
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He said it!
he said they were a very good football side.
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:49 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:51 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:
He said it!
he said they were a very good football side.
:lol:

He didn't!




Did he?

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:51 pm 
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John James wrote:
Pratt won't pay out his contract because she argued to the Mathieson camp he was the wrong Man for the job.

I would suspect the entire club knows Mick is gone. At this point, it's too costly to pay out his contract and appoint a caretaker coach.

He's a dead man walking... contract won't be renewed next year... everyone knows that... players, supporters and even Mick himself... only a miracle can save him now

How costly would it be to play in front of < 15,000 people if things continue?

Why not appoint Laidley as caretaker and start the interview process now. Why wait until the end of the year?

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:53 pm 
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MM is an issue and should be addressed. As should all the coaches, fitness staff & recruiting.

However, the entire club needs to be questioned and MLG & Trigg need to front the media tomorrow, announce a full review of all positions and that Carlton is in Full Rebuild and will be playing and developing kids for the rest of the season.

We will not be targeting any players and will be going to the draft.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:58 pm 
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It's a tricky situation.

If they let Malthouse go tomorrow, I have no doubt Wiley would walk with him.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:02 pm 
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Pysch, in the history of modern sport, no professional club has ever won anything by following every rule they ever set themselves.

Cutting ourselves off from trade and free agency is death; it's another tool to use in the market for players.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Its all good to say,mm is gone blah blah. The playing group in general seem like selfish softcocks. Then you have the obvious problems with the board etc. So to me, who the flower would actually want to coach such a team, with a disjointed board with clear lack of direction,vision etc etc?

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:04 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Pysch, in the history of modern sport, no professional club has ever won anything by following every rule they ever set themselves.

Cutting ourselves off from trade and free agency is death; it's another tool to use in the market for players.


Good list management is knowing where you sit in terms of the AFL pecking order.

You don't go adding Free Agents at a time when you are rebuilding.

You only add Free Agents when your list needs finishing touches, not wholesale changes.

Overpaying for a Free Agent, like we are doing with Thomas, can have the wrong effect on your list moving forward in terms of TPP payments.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:15 pm 
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John James wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Pysch, in the history of modern sport, no professional club has every won anything by following ever rule they ever set themselves.

Cutting ourselves off from trade and free agency is death; it's another tool to use in the market for players.


Good list management is knowing where you sit in terms of the AFL pecking order.

You don't go adding Free Agents at a time when you are rebuilding.

You only add Free Agents when your list needs finishing touches, not wholesale changes.

Overpaying for a Free Agent, like we are doing with Thomas, can have the wrong effect on your list moving forward in terms of TPP payments.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:21 pm 
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John James wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Pysch, in the history of modern sport, no professional club has ever won anything by following every rule they ever set themselves.

Cutting ourselves off from trade and free agency is death; it's another tool to use in the market for players.


Good list management is knowing where you sit in terms of the AFL pecking order.

You don't go adding Free Agents at a time when you are rebuilding.

You only add Free Agents when your list needs finishing touches, not wholesale changes.

Overpaying for a Free Agent, like we are doing with Thomas, can have the wrong effect on your list moving forward in terms of TPP payments.

I see it as another place for acquiring talent; if you want to break your wage structure to acquire someone, that's a silly risk to take outside of a premiership window.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:26 pm 
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Players don't move to mediocre lists in Free Agency unless you overpay them. That is the nature of Free Agency.

That is why we are paying someone like Dale Thomas for 4 years at around $600 to $650 k per season.

I like the strategy of targeting the draft for a few years and taking the pain. Then targeting FA when those draft picks have had a few years.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:29 pm 
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John James wrote:
Players don't move to mediocre lists in Free Agency unless you overpay them. That is the nature of Free Agency.

That is why we are paying someone like Dale Thomas for 4 years at around $600 to $650 k per season.


We need to get the base of our list right through the draft and development then we chase the right players to top off our list. Not the other way around.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:31 pm 
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don't worry about free agency for now. there's not a player who could make a difference out there, who would want to come here and play. those kinds of players want to win.

the players that would sign up, they're the ones to steer clear of.

just worry about drafting the best player at our position, regardless of position. we need footballers. the more, the merrier.


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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:32 pm 
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Players who have talent and aren't correctly utilised but are widely considered mediocre won't be overpaid.

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:35 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Players who have talent and aren't correctly utilised but are widely considered mediocre won't be overpaid.


Like Thomas, Jones & Tutt?

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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 8:38 pm 
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I don't believe in the St. Kilda theory but I like what Coll have recently done to get more picks in the Top 10.


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