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We all have differing views, FWIW these are mine:

Carrazzo - kicking needs improvement as does his pace. Average footballer given a go at the Blues.
Bentick - kicking needs improvement as does his pace. Average footballer given a go at the Blues.

There is a commonality here.


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When he was at Geelong, he liked to run into space and get the uncontested possession. As soon as we (Bullants) put some pressure on him and had a player run with him then he was useless so was very easy to take out of the game.


How many times did you see him play? :?

He played against Carltons VFL side at OO one day and took us apart. Played centre and must have had it 40 times. Dominated the clearances and hardball gets.
We played several AFL listed players and no one could stop him.

Obviously not many other teams could either if he won the B&F. :shock:

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I remember him killing them in the TAC... and ripping us a new arsehole a couple of times in the VFL.


When he was at Geelong, he liked to run into space and get the uncontested possession. As soon as we (Bullants) put some pressure on him and had a player run with him then he was useless so was very easy to take out of the game.



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Carrazzo has limitations like almost our entire list and his disposal is really disappointing. I would think every body on this site would kick the sitter he missed 10 out of 10 times. How can a player get to that level and not be aware of where the mark is when having a set shot. BUT he has great hands and is one of the few players i would back to mark a pass every time. He doesn't fumble marks they have to be spoiled. He's never going to be a star, but if we are wanting a team of stars we should either look back 20 years or give up. Even Adelaide has some average players.

Still I'd be standing Carazzo 20 meteres out with a man on the mark at training and making him kick the goal 30 times and if he misses one, do it another 30.



i saw Malcom Blight miss one from closer in once.

Look thats what happens when you are playing with NO confidence....

Cos youre not going to tell me everybody on our list is a better kick thaN carrazzo are you????

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Blue Vain wrote:
DIAMOTISM wrote:
When he was at Geelong, he liked to run into space and get the uncontested possession. As soon as we (Bullants) put some pressure on him and had a player run with him then he was useless so was very easy to take out of the game.


How many times did you see him play? :?

He played against Carltons VFL side at OO one day and took us apart. Played centre and must have had it 40 times. Dominated the clearances and hardball gets.
We played several AFL listed players and no one could stop him.

Obviously not many other teams could either if he won the B&F. :shock:


Jordan Doering would do the same thing it means very little.


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Blue Vain wrote:
How many times did you see him play? :?

He played against Carltons VFL side at OO one day and took us apart. Played centre and must have had it 40 times. Dominated the clearances and hardball gets.
We played several AFL listed players and no one could stop him.

Obviously not many other teams could either if he won the B&F. :shock:


When it comes to VFL games during the past 10 years I probably have
seen a lot more than most. Back then our reserves side was not very strong and we were getting players from suburban leagues to help make up the numbers.

I had a bit to do with the Bullants back then so I saw plenty of him. I remember clearly Brett Zorzi giving him a hiding on several occasions but then again Brett Zorzi gave a lot of AFL listed players a hiding when the Bullants were a stand alone club.

Mark Williams the coach of the Bullants knew how to stop him and that was to follow him and give no space. The Carlton VFL side probably had Sam Cranage playing against Carazzo so it hardly was a good match up.

Maybe that is the problem with Carlton recruiters in the past, they have only focused on players who play good against Carlton, e.g. Carrazo & Bryan for example. Possibly more research should be done instead of taking easy options.

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Geez DIAMOTISM you've reeled off some names there. No i agree re Carrazzo. You'd think that for all the disappointment he went thru - not getting drafted, Geelong giving him a go via their reserves then being dropped off their list that he would work damn hard at improving his bloody kicking.


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i saw Malcom Blight miss one from closer in once.

Look thats what happens when you are playing with NO confidence....

Cos youre not going to tell me everybody on our list is a better kick thaN carrazzo are you????


Yes Synbad, I've seen Blighty miss everything after the siren to cost North a game (in the wet though) and I've seen him kick one from 80 (or was it 90) to win a games. Fact is Carazzo is a very unreliable set kick for goal. He is not the worst kick in our side but he is the last guy I would want having a set shot. When he can play like Blighty I may be more forgiving, but inside the Dome there are no excuses. He has great hands and is a good ordinary footballer, but regardless of what other players might miss shots he needs to drastically improve his kicking for goal. He's not the only one, but he is he still needs to get a lot better at it.


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DIAMOTISM wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
How many times did you see him play? :?

He played against Carltons VFL side at OO one day and took us apart. Played centre and must have had it 40 times. Dominated the clearances and hardball gets.
We played several AFL listed players and no one could stop him.

Obviously not many other teams could either if he won the B&F. :shock:


When it comes to VFL games during the past 10 years I probably have
seen a lot more than most. Back then our reserves side was not very strong and we were getting players from suburban leagues to help make up the numbers.

I had a bit to do with the Bullants back then so I saw plenty of him. I remember clearly Brett Zorzi giving him a hiding on several occasions but then again Brett Zorzi gave a lot of AFL listed players a hiding when the Bullants were a stand alone club.

Mark Williams the coach of the Bullants knew how to stop him and that was to follow him and give no space. The Carlton VFL side probably had Sam Cranage playing against Carazzo so it hardly was a good match up.

Maybe that is the problem with Carlton recruiters in the past, they have only focused on players who play good against Carlton, e.g. Carrazo & Bryan for example. Possibly more research should be done instead of taking easy options.


Ok sorry didnt realise you spent the whole of 2003 checking out the Cats in the VFL./

But gerry... youre making it out like Carazzo will always miss that goal... and that it has nothing to do with confidence.

People always look at the obvious... i wanna know why were missing goals we should be able to kick...????

Thats why nothing ever gets fixed.. cos people look at the obvious...

Scratch the surface fellas..

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gerry atric wrote:
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i saw Malcom Blight miss one from closer in once.

Look thats what happens when you are playing with NO confidence....

Cos youre not going to tell me everybody on our list is a better kick thaN carrazzo are you????


Yes Synbad, I've seen Blighty miss everything after the siren to cost North a game (in the wet though) and I've seen him kick one from 80 (or was it 90) to win a games. Fact is Carazzo is a very unreliable set kick for goal. He is not the worst kick in our side but he is the last guy I would want having a set shot. When he can play like Blighty I may be more forgiving, but inside the Dome there are no excuses. He has great hands and is a good ordinary footballer, but regardless of what other players might miss shots he needs to drastically improve his kicking for goal. He's not the only one, but he is he still needs to get a lot better at it.


Accurate kicking has been a problem for a while......Jarrod Waite is no cert to kick straight as is Brad Fisher but I wouldnt be discarding them....
Steven Kernahan was ordinary at times as well.
I dont want Carazzo kicking for goal on a regular basis anyway..thats what we pay our forwards to do...I view Carazzo's role as giving it off to the players who are goalkickers...if we had a few more Carazzos in terms of endeavour we probably would win a few more games....

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Elwood Blues1 wrote:
...if we had a few more Carazzos in terms of endeavour we probably would win a few more games....


.... and blow our priority pick :oops:


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we might beat the doggies :oops:

Blind faith.

I have put a couple of quid on an upset.

the doggies make Oompa loompa's look tall and you never know Pagan might give bryan a chance and he might save his skin and be potent.

The doggies would have trouble covering: bryan, deluca, French and Mclaren.

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wouldn't have to cover them just run off them

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Saints "snatched the victory from the jaws of defeat" .. The Scum should have won but, thankfully, they didn't

ESS 10.11 71, STK 11.8 74 - we are in trouble next week

ADE 15 13 2 1582 936 169.02% 52 @ 1/2 time
MEL 15 11 4 1504 1290 116.59% 44
WCE 14 11 3 1382 1204 114.78% 44
COL 14 9 5 1502 1286 116.80% 36
STK 15 9 6 1368 1180 115.93% 36
WB 14 9 5 1509 1336 112.95% 36
SYD 14 8 6 1348 1150 117.22% 32
RIC 15 8 7 1236 1429 86.49% 32
FRE 14 7 7 1175 1313 89.49% 28
GEE 14 6 8 1324 1285 103.04% 24
PTA 14 6 8 1319 1446 91.22% 24
BRI 14 5 9 1256 1356 92.63% 20
KAN 14 5 9 1174 1397 84.04% 20
HAW 15 5 10 1169 1462 79.96% 20 @ 1/2 time
CAR 14 2 12 1096 1475 74.31% 8
ESS 15 1 14 1265 1664 76.02% 4

Campo featured well, too ...
23K 13H 5M 8T 0HO 1FF 1FA 0G 0B :shock:

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