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Name me one player beside him who is willing to go under the packs? no oneeeeeeeeee...... We have only one in and under player and thats AB...



Bit harsh Dodo.

Blackwell is an in and under player. Betts likes to win his own ball and Simmo don't seem to mind putting his head over the ball.

Don't get me wrong I love AB, but c'mon, he is not the only player willing to go under the packs.



Not so sure if that was harsh monty... i mean Simmo and Blackwell do go hard at it, but they are NOT natural in and under players at all...

Simmo is a Running type player....with his small and skinny body, he could not possibily develop into a Ratten mould and he shouldnt be.... he is a bit like Skinny , i dont think he will bulk up much, but he is a natural ball carrier like Walker, loves to recieve and Run so thats what his future roll should be...

Blackwell has potential to be in and under, but he is just at the starting line.... still cant match it with the big guys, so he needs at least 4 years in the system before we can establish what will become of him....


Eddie bets is a forward Crumber.. he shouldnt be thrown in the middle to solve our problems of finiding the ball, he needs to be kicking goals, and causing turn overs in the forward line, i dont see him as an in and under midfielder, he doesnt have the capacity for it... he is very similair to Farmer and Davey...

Murphy will develop to be a star and a Geninue midfielder but i doubt that he will ever be an in and under player who will take the big Hits, although all is too early to tell....

That leaves me with only AB who in my opinion has established himself as a hard nut who has the capacity to improve and maybe become 70% as good as Ratten but he also is limited in his abilities, which leaves the club in urgent need of Pure Talents and hard in and under players in future drafts


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Dukes, the last quarter fade outs have mainly been because of the panic in the box. As soon as the opposition start coming at us, the call goes out - "everyone behind the ball fellas".

The Eagles game was a classic example.

You could argue the perceived lack of skill is directly attributed to analmost non existent, sometimes quite chaotic, negative game plan.

Anyway, it's all irrelevant. DP won't be there in 07. Decisions have already been made - wheels have been put in motion.


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Dukes, the last quarter fade outs have mainly been because of the panic in the box. As soon as the opposition start coming at us, the call goes out - "everyone behind the ball fellas".

The Eagles game was a classic example.

You could argue the perceived lack of skill is directly attributed to analmost non existent, sometimes quite chaotic, negative game plan.

Anyway, it's all irrelevant. DP won't be there in 07. Decisions have already been made - wheels have been put in motion.


Funny you refer to the Eagles game preacher. An asst coach i know very well from another club said EXACTLY the same thing to me (i.e Pagan panicked and had no plan B).

I hope you're on the money - and agree the coach's box is contributing to where we are at.

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It's not a done deal............few issues still need to be sorted out, particularly with convincing the AFL (remember, we told them we were flat broke and we now answer to Andrew & Co). The Dogs will cry out, "yes, we were right.........where did the cash materialise from to pay him out?.............they had it all along!" etc etc etc.

But, the hard thing is making that decision and once it is made, it's a matter of finding a way to implent it. And there is always a way.

The cash to pay him out has been put forward. That is no longer an issue.

So, to answer your question, YES. I believe the article in today's HS is the first step in the orchestrated campaign.

Besides, there are two very good assistants waiting in the wings. Both have completed their apprenticeships and will have scored senior jobs at other clubs by the end of 2008 when DP's contract expires - namely McKenna and Longmire. If we wish to nab one of them, now is the time.


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Where's the money coming from if we've got no cash flow- not that we can afford to keep losing games and members?


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Now that's some preaching :-D :-D :-D


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There's people willing to put the money in when they know it will make a difference. They're not going to just throw it at the board to piss up a wall.


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Dodo27 wrote:
fullmont101 wrote:
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Name me one player beside him who is willing to go under the packs? no oneeeeeeeeee...... We have only one in and under player and thats AB...



Bit harsh Dodo.

Blackwell is an in and under player. Betts likes to win his own ball and Simmo don't seem to mind putting his head over the ball.

Don't get me wrong I love AB, but c'mon, he is not the only player willing to go under the packs.





Not so sure if that was harsh monty... i mean Simmo and Blackwell do go hard at it, but they are NOT natural in and under players at all...

Simmo is a Running type player....with his small and skinny body, he could not possibily develop into a Ratten mould and he shouldnt be.... he is a bit like Skinny , i dont think he will bulk up much, but he is a natural ball carrier like Walker, loves to recieve and Run so thats what his future roll should be...

Blackwell has potential to be in and under, but he is just at the starting line.... still cant match it with the big guys, so he needs at least 4 years in the system before we can establish what will become of him....


Eddie bets is a forward Crumber.. he shouldnt be thrown in the middle to solve our problems of finiding the ball, he needs to be kicking goals, and causing turn overs in the forward line, i dont see him as an in and under midfielder, he doesnt have the capacity for it... he is very similair to Farmer and Davey...

Murphy will develop to be a star and a Geninue midfielder but i doubt that he will ever be an in and under player who will take the big Hits, although all is too early to tell....

That leaves me with only AB who in my opinion has established himself as a hard nut who has the capacity to improve and maybe become 70% as good as Ratten but he also is limited in his abilities, which leaves the club in urgent need of Pure Talents and hard in and under players in future drafts



I agee 110% with the type of players that you have classed them as and can't dispute that, and also the rolls that they SHOULD be playing eg:-Simmo the running type and Betts in the pocket. But we dont have 2 AB's in the side which is why guys like Blackwell, Simmo, Betts and even Wiggo have to get the hard ball.
Yes AB is the only in and under player in the 1st, but I just thought that saying he is the only player who is willing to go in hard was a bit harsh.

Eveything else though, agree with 110%

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The preacher 'correct-o-ometer' is normally very high....

Wow, what a post. Should have its own thread. Can we change this to 'Is Bentick over-rated AND serious change may be afoot?'


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Interesting. Very interesting, especially given a little while back I dreamed that McKenna was our next coach.


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Interesting. Very interesting, especially given a little while back I dreamed that McKenna was our next coach.


yes, yes ... that dream is certainly does put it all in perspective.. :wink:


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Interesting. Very interesting, especially given a little while back I dreamed that McKenna was our next coach.


yes, yes ... that dream is certainly does put it all in perspective.. :wink:


:lol:

You know showy, I dreamed about the 400+ each ODI between Australia and Sth Africa a few days before it happened. I told a mate, and he was like whatever. Rang him up the day after the game to refresh his memory. Hilarious. So after dreaming about McKenna, I posted it here in an anti-Pagan thread. :lol:


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Watched the weekends game on video and I thought he was terrific. He is continuing to mature and work out what he needs to do to get a kick and contribute over 4 quarters.

Clean quick hands under immense pressure.
Lays the toughest tackles that no-one breaks
Stands up in the toughest tackles and still gets the ball away.
Works hard to provide an option all over the ground.

Give him a couple of years to get his fitness up to the AFL's highest levels and he will beat the best of them at their own game.

He is a beauty and will play many years for the Blues. If we can surround him with some real runners you will see him make them look good week after week.

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Cazzesman wrote:
Watched the weekends game on video and I thought he was terrific. He is continuing to mature and work out what he needs to do to get a kick and contribute over 4 quarters.

Clean quick hands under immense pressure.
Lays the toughest tackles that no-one breaks
Stands up in the toughest tackles and still gets the ball away.
Works hard to provide an option all over the ground.

Give him a couple of years to get his fitness up to the AFL's highest levels and he will beat the best of them at their own game.

He is a beauty and will play many years for the Blues. If we can surround him with some real runners you will see him make them look good week after week.

Regards Cazzesman


Sometimes doesnt have the awareness and gets caught..thats my only problem with him.......I'm interested in comparing him with Luke Blackwell..who is going to be better out of the two of them and can we have both in the same team...we obviously need class runners and users and whether it be Gibbs, Pettard, Proud, Schmidt or whoeva..some of our present midfielders will have to make way for these young colts.
I like Bentick and like to see good hardworkers get their rewards and I hope he turns into our version of Sam Mitchell.....

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Cazzesman wrote:
Watched the weekends game on video and I thought he was terrific. He is continuing to mature and work out what he needs to do to get a kick and contribute over 4 quarters.

Clean quick hands under immense pressure.
Lays the toughest tackles that no-one breaks
Stands up in the toughest tackles and still gets the ball away.
Works hard to provide an option all over the ground.

Give him a couple of years to get his fitness up to the AFL's highest levels and he will beat the best of them at their own game.

He is a beauty and will play many years for the Blues. If we can surround him with some real runners you will see him make them look good week after week.

Regards Cazzesman



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Our prime in and under workhorse. Will inevitably make some mistakes at his age, specially given the amount of work he is doing.

In our list, he is 6th in handballs, 3rd in 1%ers, 3rd in clearances, 2nd in 1st possessions, 1st in tackles,1st in contested possessions (all per game).

He is 16th in errors per game.

Doing rather well. Probably will finish inside our top 10.


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And once again, got the oppositions best midfielder - tagged Brock McLean all day - apart from the first two minutes of the game (McLean started on the bench). AB had the better of McLean. McLean had no influence on the game.

By my account, he has the following scalps to his name this year - Braun, Harris, West, J Johnson and McLean.


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