How was that allowed to happen? No one created a fuss so they just did it? What's the talk on why Clarke wasnt the first offered?

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Good. So from now on, every time any of us makes a contribution to the club, we should get a personal message from Synbad telling us how we did it reluctantly and begrudgingly.

To think, I had my doubts about Synbad's credibility!

Excellent post except you forget one giant point.

i dont really have to be credible for Carltons sake.

Smorgon does....



Wanna know how much we lose this year under him as president???

stay tuned!!!!

I wouldnt mind so much if he had set the wheels in motion to set up the mechanics to improve the situation.. but he hasnt.. (unless you know where we will find the 1.5 mill to pay back inside 2 years after the loss we will post this year???

See thats why my credibility or no credibility is unimportant......

Cos there are bigger fish to fry then me...

And dont worry... they will be fried...!!!

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How can you possibly see the conversion of some of our interest bearing debt to a 2 year interest free loan as a negative? Can you imagine the AFL demanding the money back if we are still cashless? the thing will revolve and be extended until we're back.

Id much rather have interest free borrowings from the AFL than interest bearing debt to NAB.

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No, I didn't miss that point. I know you don't have to be credible for Carlton's sake, and I never raised the issue of Smorgon's credibility.

Simply, he has donated money. I, as a Carlton supporter, am thankful for his (and everyone else who dontes to the club) generosity, and I am certainly not going to taint anyone's generosity by calling it "begrudgingly".

You on the other hand.....

Well that's convinced me, you reckon you're right - good point that!

Warning to anyone out there that is thinking of donating money to Carlton, Synbad will find a negative out of it. Be careful!

Reminder: He hasn't been president for all that long, as I have said before, he isn't my ideal pick, but it is a tough job that no one else wanted.

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Synbad,

Surely his donation of cash is a totally separate issue to his performance as President.

Only those who are weak minded or mischievous will be unable to separate the two.

As you have agreed Smorgon is under no obligation to donate anything - but he & his Dad did.

To slag off at him with faint praise is childish.

By taking a swipe at Smorgon's donation you are also taking a swipe at Sam Smorgon - as it was a joint donation. Sam has done plenty for the Blues and it is cheap, vindictive, petty & poor form to have a dig at them following the donation.

Try to be at least a little bit grateful for the good things that are done rather than always resort back to negative sniping.

Regards
Ockham

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Because it was needed because the board had no answers to address the core reason,

If the president and the board could find sponsors we wouldnt need the interest free loan... would we???


thats like saying.... you wont find a job but you get the dole so youve been positive.

The AFL hands out hand outs to all clubs on their knees.

Now we have to find 1.5 million plus run the club...(well im sure the new tv rights deal might help us if we brought that monies forward to pay off debt- and we go round and round)

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No he is under no obligation to donate.... but neither is anybody else.

For example we had 1000 heros that paid 1000 dollars and their names have been taken down from the cheap plastic board at the entrance of the social club... it was meant to go to the Heros stand...

I know some people that did contribute to that and theyre not that fussed.. but the club has been excellent at getting normal people to donate.. donating is also memberships.
I know a guy who has a severe heart condition doesnt go to games and is on a pension.
He buys a membership he can hardly afford.. thats a donation and he doesnt have to do it.
He gets calls like the rest of us to buy memberships.. raffle tickets etc...

Noone is under an obligation to donate.

Now his 300 bucks means alot more to him than Smorgons 300,000 tax refundable...

And i gave Smorgon kudos for tipping in.. full credit... !!!

But it was not the first time people around the club has asked him to...

Even members from his own board...!!!

Val Morbida also has tipped money in...

But at the end of the day.. if theyre on the board and arent getting the dollar results... they SHOULD have to tip in... because their 'efforts' have not translated to any money success.


There is no point of rich men putting their hands up to run for the board or president if they cant bring in money one way or another... is there???

If there is ... it might as well be you as president OR.!!!....

Cos it wouldnt make any difference.

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Are you serious with that response? Do you really think that makes sense?

Everyone who donates anything to the club (Smorgon, your mate with the heart condition, me or you) does not deserve to have you making statements that denegrate the value of the donation.

Change the heading back to what it originally was. It is a disgrace that there are so many sheep on this site.

Yep. Change the heading back to what it was (and should be).

I'm out.

I think you are forgetting that Smorgan has become president at a time when the club is 'on it's knees', not only financially but on the field as well. In other words the most difficult time possible to bring in money, you are so ungrateful, who would join a board if the threat of having to pour money into the club during bad times was hanging over your head?

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Thats right... but you know????


The guy with the heart condition.. you and i... and everybody else does not make decisions on the running of the club...

for example... the board made the decision to sign Pagan up as a board for 3 years on big bucks... Collo wasnt big on paying him the huge dollars but the rest of the board looking for light at the end of the tunnel were.....sponsor dollars have not been brought in...The Tasmanian Mining Disaster Benefit on the Footy show debacle.. would have scared a few away....

Should the guy with the heart condition.. you or i have to make up for those @#$%&! ups or the president and the board???

Look at the time we probably all thought it was a good idea to sign up Denis again(including me) but was it???
Shouldnt the board be making competent decisions having ALL the intelligence on the ground???(Sticks is the man the board appointed as the bridge between MC and board)...
The same Sticks who has had a huge fallout with Denis.
So it seems the board is more anti Denis....

So where is the club?????

do we pay for those @#$%&! ups????

If we the members do.. why???

Well we do cos we dont get up off our backsides and vote!!!!.. thus allowing people who know little about the game sit around scoffing pies and doing bugger all....

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Synbad wrote;


Synbad, maybe I will be on the board oneday.

But to go back to your very fine points... I too know people who make large sacrifices to contribute to the club via memberships, donations and voluntary positions. Neither I, nor anyone that I know uses them as a guide as to what others can/should do.

Each to their own & EVERY donation of time or money assists the club. Don't try and cheapen any donation by attempting to make comparisons of relativity.

regards
Ockham

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Vote for who Synbad? The last time there was a significant alternative to vote for was Collo ousting Elliot.

You dont get one thing... i dont want them to pur money in.. i want them to create a business environemnt where the club has the kind of credibilty that attracts money.

Their stock standard answer is "Were not making money because were not winning games"

Well thats a cop out!!!

theyre not making money cos they are running the club poorly...


Whats the plan to win games???.. hope to win a couplke in junk time.. but miss out on creating a better list so you can win properly??

Its a bet each way....the club has no direction.. its just drifting hoping for handouts or benefactors .. thats how were surviving.. but we still have 28,500 members.. and 34,000
last year.. which is more than most clubs...

So its not the members that are letting the club down...its somewhere else in the chain...!!

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Morgan the problem with politicians.. is they shore their own positions up.
Succesful people rarely want a shit fight.. so succesful people dont usually want to run againt people determined to hold on...(thats why it was so hard to get rid of Elliot.)

What the club really needs is to be opened right upSo people will feel they can put their hand up without getting a black eye.
Youll find there will be a few people wanting in now... lets hope theyre the kind of people that can take us forward.

Just vote as they come up.

It doesnt have to be to change.. but we must not allow things to remain just because we cant be bothered!!!

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I say that we are not making money, because we didn't have it to start with, ever heard that to make money you have to have money? How do football clubs get money? Through sponsorships - who do sponsors like to sponsor? Winners, what are we doing? Not winning? How do we improve our brand? Well that is the one thing we can work on, I'll give you that.

You act like there is a magic wand that can be waved to fix everything, well there isn't - and all I hear from you are criticisms rather then actual suggestions that others on here try and come up with.

Declare all postions open this or rip the club open that are NOT money making/club improving suggestions.

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What a great idea. Let's vote for a new Board. But first, we'll make sure they know that if they aren't successful within 4 months, then they'll personally have to put cash into the club. Actually, didn't you say that Smorgon should have put the money in earlier? Let's give them 2 months.

FFS!

Now you're just ranting. You're foundering and you know it.

You were wrong to denegrate the donation. If you can't see that, well...