why - if the club was getting the money - would it seek further monies from the supporters yet again.

if the club is so well off - why is it crying poor yet again?

im tired of every second week getting asked to pay for something becuase of what the big bad AFL has done and then being told how well the club is running, how we are about to make a nice tidy profit.

clearly something isnt right and alot of people want answers to these questions and none as always are forth coming

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Who said the club is well off?
The admin have continually stated that they are in a stabilisation period and hope to be on an even keel by 2006.

I dont see that as well off.
I dont see any mention of us having the funds to contribute toward a new training facility.
We are trying to turn around years of financial mismanagement.
It doesnt happen overnight Prez.

(As Rachel Hunter once pronounced!)

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Because there was never any implication that any redevelopment would be wholly funded by AFL/Council/Govt. Just as the Skilled Stadium redevelopment involved significant GFC funding.

And as far as I am aware, noone has stated that our Club is now rolling in money, so your other words don't really need an answer.

One major point seems to be overlooked by a number here, that being that the Club had little to bargain with.

The AFL can pretty much do as it pleases as it controls the fixture!

Added to that was despite the protestations from a number here, we were a basket case.Limited sponsorship(and unlikely to grow without access to night games and free to air), soaring debt levels,a ground that could not attract the punters and required a huge funds injection to bring it up to scratch. A list as poor as one could imagine, was the icing on the cake.

Negotiate????.....With what?????

As for issue of contributions or lack thereof,i see nothing in the article that tells me one thing or the other.I would prefer to wait and hear what the Club announces before jumping at shadows!

The Club asking you every second week to pay for something?...care to elaborate?

All i am aware of is the usual fund-raising stuff that ALL Clubs undertake.

As for a lot of questions and no answers forthcoming perhaps you might like to follow Camels suggestions and present them to the Club rather than just bitching about it!

will respond later on tonight if im up for it - flat out this afternoon.

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I wanna know where Scott gets the figures."We break even with 14,000 at Optus" that sounds alot like Surrey talk to me......Care to elaborate???


And if you dont want to contribute dont... Its like people that go to church.. the bloke comes around each week for a contribution to the priests private coffers.. so what???....

You can or you dont have to... one of the things about being alive is that you have free will....

Some people might choose to contribute.. others might instead prefer to piss it up against the pub wall...

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You're not alone HeadPlant - some peoples' lives are clearly unfulfilled unless they have a major drama to whinge & moan about. The minute I start hearing threats of tearing up membership cards, I just .

Re: development at OO. The main obstacle has been the inability to attract another AFL club. Now that we've crossed that bridge, I am still very confident the training facility will still proceed as planned - it's just taking a bit longer without an AFL club partner.

Re: free-to-air TV. It's the TV networks who decide which games they wish to show, not the AFL. If we continue to play the way we are, I won't be expecting too many more free to air games this season. I am certain however that Ch 9 AND Ch 10 are more likely to cover our games when played at TD or MCG than they were about setting up at the disgraceful media facilities at OO

Re: Friday night football - again the AFL have stated for some time now that clubs will be rewarded with FNF based on previous seasons performance and ratings drawing ability. Our current inability to be granted more FNF than all of us would like has nothing to do with the current board. It's our inability to produce the blockbuster type of game. Once we turn our on-field performance around, we are more likely to get the FNF games if our home ground is TD & MCG rather than OO.

I really do sense that this moaning is more a reflection of our current on-field plight - we all know that we must be patient, however having a whinge about something makes oneself feel better. Normally its "Sack the coach", however given only CarltonGod is proposing this action, the alternative for Scott & The Frog seems to be "Sack the board". Hang tight, I say. We're all doing it tough, some of us deal with it a little better than others.

I personally have absolute faith in Collo & his board!!!

I'm almost certain that it was quoted recently that the CFC would not get any funding for the redevelopment of OO. This may have changed but l'm yet to see this.

At a minimum it's all about COMMUNICATION and ENGAGEMENT with your members and supporters. The club should have a media release outlining what stage it is at with it's redevelopment.

Why????

Its not completed...!!!
So every little meeting...step... idea.. thought.. process they go to theyt come and release a statement??

Get real!!!

Wait till they know how its tackled and whos on board...

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Look out for some big (huge) concerts to be held at PP during the Commonwealth Games Period.

Exactly!

You know what you get from concensus management.....NOTHING!

Boards are elected/appointed to manage.I for one don't expect my Boards be it a public or private company, to consult with me on every issue particularly during negotiations.

Let them get on with it.At the end of the day they live or die by their decisions...

The comparisons made of football clubs to businesses are only relevant to a point.

People don't barrack for companies they invest in. They do it for financial return and security. Sure people get attached to thier shares in BHP etc but to compare that to a football club is stretching things a little too far.

Football clubs have members not investors. The regulatory authority is the AFL (not ASIC).

IMO members deserve a whole lot better treatment than they are recieving from either the club or the AFL

Did you bother going to the club for those meetings at the time?

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Synbad I am real despite the fact that l do not agree with your view and you are not always correct my friend! CFC went in hard with the re-development line at last years vote. Whilst this was not the determining factor in the vote for yours truly, it no doubt was critical to a large amount of members. Do not be so dismissive of members nor so daft.

We don't need to see every meetings minutes nor how many times the board goes to the dunny.............but surely a year down the track from last years vote, at a minimum a media release would appease many. Remember you need to engage & communicate with members or else you're walking the John Elliott autocratic style of management

There should be a body of releases by the comms dept - Fev's resigning, Membership record, Ground re-development, etc its all part of the process.

But Rod Waddell.. theres nothing to report till there is something to report.......
Ok Maloufs statement will be .........................what???

Nothings happening yet...

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Kermit,i believe your criticism of the Club is unwarranted.As a 40 year member the feedback from the new administration is a vast improvement compared to the past.

I doubt any of us could imagine the parlous nature of our financial position when this Board took over.Are you in receipt of inside information that would be contrary to this?

As for Membership involvement and consultation in decision making,you have to be kidding?

Do you as a Member really expect to be involved in the process of Ground Redevelopment? ...Give me a break!

7dominator - do you as a memeber really expect not to be involved in the process of the redevelopment? see its easy we can all ask stupid questions in an emphatic manner and prove our point conclusively.

There is a difference between having operational involvement and consultative involvement. That is a process that clubs can manage quite easily.

We get an email from the club every week (most of it crap that we already know). Why not have a section in there from time to time on what is going on. The fact that we have a thread going for 5-6 pages proves that none of us know what the status of the redevelopment is. Is that is a vast improvement in communication? Not for mine but you are entitled to your own view.

okay - which one of you picks hit me last night with his car.

didnt get around to posting anything becuase i was seriously in hopsital to about midnight last night after getting hit by a car on my bike. im a lukcy man i tells ya - my helmet has cracks all over it, my knee is banged up but other than that im okay.

now - its seems always the same people arguing about the same points with all this crap - in a way im over it all however,

Rod Waddell has got it spot on (im also pretty sure the AFL has said it wont be helping with any funding about the OO redevelopment) but as always those that disagree try to make us look stupid asking for figures.

Wasnt it common knowledge that OO only needed about 12-14k to break even, hence why it was recommended by the AFL a few years back that for certain games, melbourne v fremantle type games, that they are better off playing at OO as compared to anywhere else.

But that is not what we are talking about here.

RW rightly said it - part of the reason to move was

a. lack of sponsors not getting on board whilst we are at OO
b. Attendance
c. free to air TV
d. The AFL wouldnt commit any funds if we continued to play games there
e. facilties will be much better at TD/MCG

now i dont have the stuff that the club sent out anymore but IMO only

a. & b. have been effective, and IMO that is based 90% on the fact that we won 10 games and then the wizzer cup. We could have the best board in the world but if we didnt win a game for 3 years no-one would want to sponsor us.

c. is quetionable to whether we are better off this year to last year and again i think it has alot to do on how the team is playing more than the venue.

d. hasnt happened yet as we are able to secure a tenant, meanwhile, the Roos have decided to go it alone, and ill be stuffed, recieved funding from the AFL to do so.

e. the only thing that is better about the facilties is the seat. The seats are better at TD and MCG - social club is no-existent at MCG and is embarrasing at best at TD when compared to the SC at OO


sorry, after 12 rounds into the 2005 season im still yet to be convinced that deal we got has benefited the club and its supporters in any way shape or form.

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You mean like having a drunk president dictating to anyone who will shove a camera in front of him how great the good old days were when he told us all what to do and if you don't like it you can get stuffed cos we're the best ever and who neeeds stadium maintenance anyway?