Not sure what you disagree with GE. The named players? The Chesser suggestion? Chesser at pick 27? Not sure youre saying Chesser is the man.

As for Cinc as our 27th player, I think that's debatable, if that's what you alluding to. Chinka was first 18 in 2023. Proven running HB, also wing, then became a defensive forward or tagger. Chinka was dependable, strong and fast. He had good skills on both sides and he was focussed on any task coach gave him. Proven player.

Chesser hasn't proven anything...if that's who you are backing.

If you are suggesting we dont need a top player tagging NWM, that's why I have picked Cerra and Cottrell. Both quick, but not performing at their best for different reasons. I think both are lucky to be in last week's Best 23. Give them the job is all I'm saying.

Chesser may be a great call. I need convincing tho.

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Lets see tomorrow night.

I agree Wilson deserves a call up. Wilson has had a few consecutive good games in the VFL. Last game he was knocking the door open.

We will find out how well you know Vossy, or, if you're just bagging him out. I hope you're wrong.

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Wouldn’t surprise me if it’s Wilson instead of Boyd in my team as well.

Call them whatever you like GE. They are match winners. remember them? Judd, Kouta, Diesel ... we have none today. We thought Charlie was it. we thought Harry was it. We thought ... but we were dreaming. We need a couple real stars to replace the pretend ones in TDK and Charlie. Ours were Cripps and walsh. Walsh is the closest thing we have to a match winner and maybe he lacks a supporting cast. Whatever, he doesn't have the golden boot to kick the miraculous .. not since that Dees Final we won in 2023. Its 2026. WE need to fill a couple important gaps. Come on Austin, surprise us.

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New structure and setup will help with execution. Walsh is an A grader and Cripps is too, when he has his head right. Remember Diesel wasn’t fast but he released players better than anyone become he could football and Judd wasn’t the best kick either. Guys like Weitering and Harry are better than what they are showing as well.

Funny isn't it. Damned if we are seen to be having a messiah complex and damned if we don't!

New structure changes our fortunes, but I feel strongly that we don't have stars. Other than in name, what is an A Grader if they can't kick goals, or set them up? Cripps only has one wood: inside mid. That's an contested bull, and not much after that. I'd prefer Judd running into goal than Cripps or Walsh. Judd had turbo boosters to give himself best chance. Diesel was more than a contested bull, he could kick goals too....every game.

This hot and cold thing going on with Weitering and McKay doesn't wear well with me. That's not the sign of an A Grader. In fact, I'd prefer at least 5 other FBs from other teams ahead of Weitering this year. Same with CHF's, ahead of Harry. They shouldnt be in the A grader conversation based on this hot and normally cold form.

Weiters and Harry are now merely role players to me, not stars but they are Keepers, (expensive ones), and we need better around them. They are not the stars of yesteryear.

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I'm disagreeing with the statement "Playing our 27th best player on the saints best player does not seem like a recipe for success".

You don't need to be a top player to tag a top player. Cinc was one example, whether you consider 27th on the list to be unders or overs (his delisting suggests it's not far off, though I'm curious to know who, if anyone, was considered his successor for the shut-down role). Another example is Oisin Mullin, who is very limited as an Aussie Rules footballer but makes life horrible for the star oppo midfielder.

Anthony Francina, Darren Hulme....

I thought that's what you meant.

You don't have to be a star to tag a star. True.

One is playing an offensive game and the other is not playing any game other than shutting down the offensive player.

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Yes, but IMO you need certain athletic attributes to be able to contain some stars and Cerra will be made to look like he is standing still with NWM.
I'd rather see Cottrell on him or even a player like Cowan have a run with role and keep Cotts on the wing and put Ollie in the back pocket if he returns.

Point is NWM must be subdued or allowed to be a match winner.

Why Cowan? What has he shown to keep up with NWM?

You think Cerra can't keep up with NWM?
You think Cowan has more aerobic capacity than Cerra?

If so, I don't agree at all.

Both Cottrell and Cerra have midfield engines. Cowan doesn't.

Both Cerra and Cottrell can keep up with NWM and possibly hurt him going the other way.

Baffled with your selection of Olliw in a BP. I was under the impression you thought he was too light as a back man, hets rag dolled and can't stick tackles, and you want him on the last line??? Not sure if I can take you serious Sidey.

Just have to win this Saturday. That's all.

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Bondi, I think you are arguing for the sake of arguing.
You know well, that Ollie to date has still played his best games in the back pocket, just look back last year for reference.
And even when he's on the wing or HBF he is still in there deep.
Who would you prefer going forward of centre, Cottrell or Ollie?
I know who'd I choose.

Cerra does have the engine, but he lacks agility and speed and if he is put on him, you'll see.
Because if Cerra was that good, we would've put him on Bolton last week.

I agree Cowan may or may not have the tank, but he has speed and agility and can tackle.
As for hurting the player going the other way, didn't you just say they didn't need to, they just have to shut them down.

I'm not arguing.

In fact, I have admitted recently I've come to your side with regards to Ollie. I was the big Ollie fan and now I see he's a wingman or nothing. Hence the wing position is for the taking. May the best man win. I really thought you didnt want him in the side let alone in the backline. I am not protective of any one's spot in the team TBH. I honestly thought you said what I thought you said. Too light. Can't lay a tackle. Rag dolled. Kicking is a huge problem. I dont want him turning over the bal in the backline if that's the case.

As for the tagger. I like a tagger who hurts offensively. Everyone does. Lord dod that well last year. Chinka did it when defending the opposition's offensive HB. Chika kickes sneaky goals. That's all I meant. Players tagged usually have no defensive mindset. They want to escape the tag. This could back fire on them if the tagger has wheels.

Cerra isnt slow. And, do you really think Voss is big on the tag? He's not, and I dont know why you would think my thought of Cerra tagging NWM for this game, would have crossed Vossy's mind for Bolton. ???? Whats the connection. Mischievous perhaps.

As for Cottrell vs Ollie on a wing? May the best man win. Its not about my preference. Its about whose available, and what's best for the team.
Cottrell has played mainly HF under Voss and has tried to run his opponent off his feet and burn him off on the way back to the forwardline. I think Cottrell is a much better kick than Ollie. Ollie has to stop taking on the world and biting off more than he could chew.

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Anyhow , as far as tagging goes I would put a defensive tag on Sinclair . He sets things up running out of the backline . Very good creative player . Shut Sinclair down would be my first priority .

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He's been playing a fair bit of midfield.
this year. HB last year against us.

Dangerous player. Creative. Doesn't really venture close to goals like NWM does.

He has got away from us in the past, but didn't cause to much of a problem for us last year when we beat them.

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Sorry, my mistake.
My issue with Ollie is his kicking into F50 and the need for high risk kicks to hit a target.
When he is kicking out of defence to low risk targets he usually gets them.
This is why I have never liked him on the wing, he lacks that damage going forwards.
Carroll is what I expect from a wing, good defensively and can be damaging going forwards.
Yes I have said he can't stick a tackle and is too light, but for some reason in the D50 most of the times he seems to be able to stop opposition players or at least put pressure on them.
I don't 'want' him out of the team yet, but if we had better players on the wing and in defence he wouldn't even get a game.
Fortunately for Ollie, we lack depth at the moment and he gives it his all so will be an automatic inclusion.
Although I think Wilson is starting to make his case now for elevation.
Either way, he'll be included and that is why I suggested moving the magnets to a position he has played and adding a defender onto a damaging offensive player that could potentially match him athletically (endurance questioning).

I agree we want a tagger that can hurt you the other way, but that is not what I thought you originally said, sorry if I read that wrong.
I forgot about Lord, but even he's not as agile as NMW but it would be a good education for him.

My thought was the match up, nothing 'mischievous'.
Rankine, Pickett, Naicos, Bolton, NMW are all fast agile players that will hurt you and so far we have been unable to shut them down.
We've tried a few different players and I am sure Cerra would've had a go also.
But my point is if Cerra was any good at shutting down those types of players with x factor, he'd have been doing it already and would've done that last week.
And I can't agree with you that he is quick, not my version of quick anyway and not NWM quick.
If we are going to add a slow mid on him, then bring Hewett back in for the shut down role, it'd be a better option than Cerra IMO.

I agree that Voss 'used' to play Cotts at HF, but we have Hayward and Ainsworth now so I doubt he will get a look in as I put them well above him in that role.
His spot is on the wing now but I do like the suggestion of him tagging NMW even though it puts Ollie back on the wing.
But that would not be my preference as I would like to see what the two C, double L's (Carroll and Cottrell) can do to our wings.
It has the potential to be the most balanced/damaging wings we have had for a long long time if Cotts steps it up to pre injury Cotts.

Yeah , of course Bondi . I should have prefaced my comments in addition to to tagging NWM we in addition need to watch Sinclair .

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Cottrell just runs up and down the wings. Covers green grass, which is what Voss loves in a player gets little of the ball (maybe one game per 8 he might get it 20), cannot tag, isn’t a great field kick - but for the love of god, he can play half forward - so if your going to play him, play him there!!!.

Anyway how the f@#& would I know anything.

Could Saad tag these guys?

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