Due to Jack's legacy Carlton is on the nose in the corporate world. The brand is still soiled by a stench of fraud. Marketing Directors and Brand Managers are very sensitive when it comes to who they tie their own brand to. The Carlton brand is now weak - so that is (IMO) a major reason why we struggle on the sponsorship front. Can you blame the current board? Well, only that they could have done more to have more positive media etc. but difficult when you have no money and your list is the worst in the league with no chance for a quick turn around due to the sanctions imposed.

in my opinion youre either a can do or cant do....

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Elliott bags Blues.

Bring back Jack because he is really concerned with how Carlton is perceived in the market place.

Great to see the club is on the front foot and promoting the fact Murphy and Blackwell might play this week.

For example, Ryder to debut

Sheedy has brainwashed the footy world into thinking Ryder is the number 1 pick.. just noone picked him number 1.

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Hey Game I think you full of crap!!!
Essendon* were penalised in 1999 for salary cup rorting - I think they were excluded from the 1st and 2nd round of the national draft and the preseason draft in 99.

In 2002 they off loaded carcella, hefferenan and blumfield, three premiership players so they could fit within the salary cup rules. They learnt their lesson we never did - Pigs Arse Elliot thought he was above the salary cup.

We paid the price for his cheating and deserved what we got - Elliot was great in the 80's but like your theories he is an outdated and obsolete now

I was never comfortable with the way everyone carried on with the ousting of Jack. Thought there was a better way where we all could have worked together and got ourselves back on the right track with out all the madness.

People got carried away and led by a few madmen like Gobaggers( we all know he turned out to be a dud ) and those USC kooks and next thing you know kaos unfolded.

Footy has never been the same to me since. Playing under a roof. Being happy to lose so there is a chance we will win in the future, carlton being crap and past players hating the club. Its all changed so much that i reckon i would even suppoort a merge. The Blues arn't what they use to be to me so i dont think a merger would freak me out anymore.

Excellent post right up to there!


Sums up what many of us are feeling.

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Its very important to put things into their rightful perspective.
The UTC did what they did because of where the club was heading.
There was no nice way to get rid of Elliot. He wasnt going to go because he had nothing else going for himself.. and because he had too many skeletons in the cupboard.

It wasnt like you can reason with Big Jack.. he was an unreasonable man...

And yes footy has changed from what we knew as kids ... but that doesnt mean it cant be good under a roof.. or rebuilding / losing and watching kids grow and them finally delivering to us just like the great generations before them did for us....

Its just abit different and you have to adapt to it.

In the last 40 years we have dominated the comp... dominated because we were the best under the existing rules.. we bought players better than any other club.. we had the best home ground blah blah blah...

But theres alwaways things you can do to be numero uno.. you just have to continue adapting.

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That is all nice in theory club, except that Jack refused to admit that there was anything wrong except for on-field performance!

Exactly - there was no way he was going to go gracefully and for the greater good of his "beloved" footy club.

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The USC and coterie groups/ influential members tried talking to Elliot about moving on.. he wouldnt.

Unfortunately when people drink from the cup of power its pretty hard to shake them .
I just hope this group arent the same.

There are too many baby kissers and hand shakers that think theyre doing a strirling job for their country/ club whatever....

Alot of them are posers!!!

One thing about Collo isnt he isnt there to pose...

... but at the moment i cant agree with the direction of the club or its performance

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Somewhat surprised that Mathieson was able to simply "toss us" Dan Murphy's given that it is owned 100% by Woolworths.

Whilst Mathieson has significant & close business dealings with Woolworths he has zero ownership/interest/control over Dan's or how it spends its funds.

Dan's sponsorship would have ultimately been a decision for Dan's management team who are answerable to Woolies.

regards

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Don't underestimate the value of an introduction ...

It's the key people who have influence over others, however indirectly, which allow a club and sponsors to get together and forge a relationship.

It's not easy competing for the corporate dollar - ask every sporting club at every level in australia at the moment - having a sh!te team and then not having the means to improve it meaningfully in the short to medium term because of AFL penalties puts us in a dire position. Sponsors want to be associated with success ... we can't offer that at the moment.

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John Elliot? That prick who made our Club insolvent, and refused to move on?

Oh yeah, I really need to know what he is saying between drinks and gropes and slagging off.

Well said Headplant! Go get em' fella!

I can't help but think those who seem be taking JE's 'side' in any of these debates are just pining for the past that crumbled before our eyes. Mr.Elliott has been discredited on many levels, as a Director, as a businessman, and to latch on to anything he says in hindsight has to be thrown away like the junk it is. To blame in incoming management group for that is naivity at best, stupidity at worst. The guy isn't even admitting to cap breaches - surely you can all see where that got us?

Problem is, molsey, that no, they can't see that.

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Dukes,

I agree wholeheartedly. However, for some on here to infer that we are shit and that we can only get sponsorships because they are "tossed" to us is absolute falacy.

Whilst Mathieson may well have introduced Dan's people to ours, it is not credible to suggest that he has such a huge influence over Dan's that they would associate their good brand with ours unless they could see a benefit in doing so.

It simply serves to push an opinion to say things like a sponsor was "tossed to us by Mathieson".

Perspective and balance in opinion would be an interesting thing to bring to these arguments.

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Do a little more research before you label me. Essendon* cheated again in 03 or 04 when they bought Lloyd and Hird's extremely valuable:P internet rights. They got about an 80k or 90k fine, thats it. They were repeat offenders. They deliberately tried to make a mockery of the system as well and the AFL didn't do sh!t cause they are scared.

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Did you bring your umbrella along O R???

good to see you back.... long time ...

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