yes..... indeed...

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Yeah! Waite is terrible up against first and second round draft picks.

Hamill 22yearsofage 26 209 114 144 353 34 20 10 58

Waite 22yearsofage 21 185 119 95 280 36 23 2 41

A shame our player has missed nearly one whole season with injury and wasn't even played in his first season.

So why isn't he as developed as the early picks!

Juzz.. Kosi has been injured.. Ball has been injured and didnt have a first season and is still suffering OP... same with McGuire..

It doesnt matter where those players were picked up!!!.. if Waite is going to be a champion he has to be in the same stratosphere as them...!!!

And he isnt...!!!

You cant say our guys arent as good because they were taken later in the draft.. cos Livo Sporn were taken before Dal Santo and Wiggins was taken before McGuire...

But they still have to play against each others team and for their own team to win a premiership...

Waite is meant to be our best young talent...

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Excuses.

Excuses.

Waite excelled in 2005. The other's didn't, but they all have excuses.

We shouldn't be comparing him to an elite talent like Dal Santo, Kosi, etc. but someone like Hamill. They are both hard nuts who make up for any deficiencies in their games by chasing and hitting hard. I feel Waite will blossom into a leader just like Hamill and would be more dangerous if he had a Riewoldt, Kosi and Gehrig taking the best defenders each week.

Andrew Walker and Dale Thomas were taken 1 pick before Judd, so should they win a Brownlow and become the best player in the competition?

Apples and Oranges again, especially with Shane O'Sullivan in charge.

misery for the next 4 years?

with the whinging that goes on here, TC won't last the distance!

Bring on the next game i say.

Waite is nowhere near a very good player. He needs consistency to be considered good. All he has at the moment is potential to be very good and he's almost 23 already?
He can't keep just showing glimpse's of what he can do, but needs to keep playing at that level. At 23 if he isn't showing consistency already, its a concern if he will ever be consistent.
Hopefully he can be remembered as a great player rather than a player who did the odd freakish thing in a game but was otherwise ineffectual.

hopefully it's only 1 more season before the finals next year,but 4 years sounds right as the first 4 years we totally stuffed up picking recycled players,except the last draft.

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Bang Bang.

I remember listening to this game on 3AW and Hunt was on and on about what a rabble the Aints were. He said they didn't deserve to be in the comp.

Just 2 years later they were fighting for a GF spot.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_m ... s?mid=1499

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You got stats for contested marks? If Waite has someone on his heels he falls over. I think he'd be better suited as a tall marking wingman like when he started playing in 2003.

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Anyone can barrack for a team at the top.

It takes a supporter to barrack for a team struggling.

Yes it will be a long road. It won't be easy. We will lose games, we will get flogged.

Our 'victories' for the next few years will not be on the scoreboard. They will be small signs, on the field, off the field. These signs will become moments. These moments will become performances.

When you put a bunch of performances together, you get wins.

When you string a bunch of wins together, you get finals.

When you win a bunch of finals, you get to a grand final.

And when you win a grand final, you get a big @#$%&! off cup and a flag.

So I plead to you all, to look directly at the big @#$%&! off cup and flag now is stupid. Take pride in telling your firends in 5 years, 10 years, 15 years - 'I was there when that flag was just a sign.'

And buy a @#$%&! membership.

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Congratulations CK95

"Thornton dropping back at a fast rate" give me a break. The guy has been our best defender and one of the best young defenders in the league for the past 3 years. Now based on 2 practice games he is suddenly shit and gone. You're talking about being real so practice what you allegedly preach. T-Bird has my respect for what he has done over the past 3 years and I'm certainly not going to get stuck into him based on his form in his first 2 competetive albeit praccy games.

As for Hartlett being unfit...again based on my observations, extremely unfair. I think he was one of the few players not to get a rest on the pine on the weekend bar the last 15 mins. At which time the guy was admittedly out on his feet. However put this in context, it was a 30 odd degree day and we havebeen belted by 99 points. Imagine the amount of leads he would have had to follow on a day when the defence is getting battered. He has probably run more than most of our mids. He worked his nuts off.

Sure our list may need work but I felt having a crack at these 2 blokes was unwarranted and completely misguided.

I know it's your opinion, and yeah, I don't like it.

The team isn't great at the moment but you seem to be pointing the finger at the wrong people. There is nothing wrong with the effectivity of Carrazzo's disposal, for instance.

That's why it seems like a troll to me, just like digging up old issues and flinging the muck around. That's my opinion and if you don't like it, you don't have to read it either.

The danger is not misery for the next 4 years but mediocrity for the next 20 years. We do not want to be the next Richmond going nowhere for decades occasionally threatening to sneak into the eight to excite our supporters.

I do believe we need to look at the development of our young guys. We should be investing as much as we can into the development of our young guys. Look at what other clubs are doing, look at what other codes are doing, leadership courses, one-on-one with club legends like sticks, etc. Whatever it takes....we can't afford to get this wrong. Now especially with the calibre of young players we have just welcomed into the club.

I have always had question marks over our recruiting for sometime. Recruiting also does not have a salary cap, we should be investing as much as we can into our recruiting methods and spread our net as far as possible. Finishing at or near the bottom means we have very little room to stuff up our decisions. And I have been happy with the selections of Murphy and Kennedy. But its important we have the infrastructure, leadership and processes in place to get the maximum growth out of our young guys.

Hartlett couldnt run out the third quarter.
T Bird is going backwards.

Yes, mediocrity has is our biggest danger and ive been harping on it for ages!!!

Fotballs product is the game.. without guns you havent got a product people want to watch.. without people you have a black hole...

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Synbad, it's not just been mediocrity that you've been harping on about for ages....

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OK yes it is.. everything i harp upon stems from mediocrity around our club....
Leadership...
Senior players

and the unwillingness to take the plunge for a Deledio and Franklin (who do add to your product).. for some day to day living.. when you cant plan long term this is what happens.. youre on the street.

We have some good kids.. but they need to be developed and added to if were ever going to get out of this!!!!

Winning 5/ 10 games is not what puts bums on seats!!!!

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So Synbad you think Hartlett is unfit because he struggled to run out 4 quarters in a game where the defence rarely had a let up, he was never on the bench and the temperature was in the 30's?? Can you provide any additional factual observations or do you just prefer to stick with the generalisations for shock value??

As for T-Bird what is that based on?? Missing targets in praccy matches and because Kingsley kicked a bag on him...Shit I better right off half the stars in the comp who have missed targets in their first competetive hit outs this year.

I think Hartlett is unfit because i was told this by two members of the footy board and the chairman of selectors...
what else would you like to know???
I get very impatient with morons you know???

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Ahhhh Synbad..I remember the days you actually had respect from people with your inside knowledge..that was until it all went to your head and you turned into an arrogant tool.

Having said that, it is now clear to me that you are incapable of providing your own opinion.....You go to the games, you attend training what are your observations of his lack of fitness??...or do you want to just jump on here again, rehash someone elses views, pass them off as your own and throw a cheap insult?

So I guess the match commitee thinks T-Bird is going backwards too??