OR.. We do have to pay 92.5% but because of Kouta were paying around 100% of what other clubs are paying their players.

Hes murdering us.
Allison is murdering us.
Collo cant manage the media...
Pagans coaching is no rising to the challenge.
No leadership.
No board answers.
No sponsors.
Dwindling supporter base.
The Presidents suits 200 members 2 years ago.. just under 100 today...

There is a stench in this club and i want it fixed!!!!
The Game????Just so i can put it in a language you understand...... Whats Mario Milano doing these days?????
At around 100% cos we still have to give Kouta his money thats outside of the salary cap whilst still trying to keep it down.... he would have around 550k over and above that 92.5%...

Thats means weree still running ours at 100% and it also means that we have been running at it at Brissy Sydney levels with our contracts and vets....

Its kiled us!!!

Have they taken a Doggies style cut???

No !!!

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Who's that???

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A legend of your favourite sport but it doesnt mean the sporrt still owes him...if you can call it a sport....

Kind of like Hulk Hogan... no drawing power.. cant create the fuss or the viewers... so he gets paid for what he is.. not what he was...

Kouta has been a waste of money for 5 years... a waste of 5 million dollars.

He only had 3 great years some good ones and a few disappointing ones.

To me the club is bigger than them all....

I hope the next batch dont want to emulate Kouta.. id rather they be Kenny Hunter .. or Wayne Johnstons...

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Why are we going over this all again?

We should just pay Kouta out and be done with it. If Collo hadn't have re-negotiated Kouta's 5-year contract it would have been over by now (although a little more painful at the time). Now he is wanting to extend it further and extend the pain.

Pull the belt in Collo. It is time to do some work.

Lets not confuse the contract with the player. Kouta is being hammered for agreeing a deal with the club which Elliott accepted. If he had left, ala Hammill, by all means have a go. He has been a great servant of the club, including last year. However, his manager has always tried to screw us but it's up to us to be smarter about these issues. He's a c$%t, and the less we deal with him the better.

The fact is no player is worth $1m a season ... we now know that but it was really only the likes of Akermanis, Johnson and the Scotts at Brisbane who proved it when they won premierships and earned only $250k each in doing so.

It's a contract of a different era and we've learned our lesson ... the hard way. No more 5 year contracts, no more massive sums over $500k a year - we're heading in the right direction ... but slowly.

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I still pay to go to the footy just to see kouta play.

Kouta's contract is up end of the year. Alison knows we are on our knees, could it just be him putting the boots in and trying to get things going to start renegotiating Kouta's next contract.

With Collins at the helm you'd have to think that Kouta would want to be looking to make some adjustments to next year's weekly household budget!!!

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Hopefully he retires so that we can get some kids into the system.
He won't be there when we are playing finals again.
Lets develop kids

If Kouta wasn't on so much MAYBE we could've thrown a bit more of an offer to the likes of Luke Power, Bartel or Kosi.... maybe....

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No point either party bitching about..we dont need anymore bad press and if Kouta is the face of the club then we dont need his manager whining in the media about his treatment by Ian Collins....I think Ian Collins should have left it alone and let the contract and Kouta run their course..
I see Fevola as the face of the club and the player whose number kids want to wear on their jumper...we need a few more players spruking the club as well as Fev, its a finanacial disaster to throw your eggs in one basket as we did with Kouta an I think marketing is the same...we need some more players getting some media exposure and promoting the club....Collingwood and Essendon* for example share the workload a bit better than we do....the Pies have taken the focus of Nathan Buckley and have pushed the very articulate James Clement into the limelight to do the serious stuff and use someone like Brodie Holland to do the sideshow business...like Eddie the Pies seem to have Holland in all the media mags/papers with Sarita Stella and its just good PR for the club and creates interest and keeps the brand name up front...

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Here comes this one again

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The implication from the article was that Kouta could rip up his contract and expect the same money elsewhere ... does anyone else think this guy (Allison not Kouta) lives in fantasy land??? Never since the contract demands of one Matty Allan have I seen such crap written without even a bit of media scutiny or comment.

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Would be a strange tactic - a bit like Lappin's strategy .

I'd tell Kouta to sack the cauliflower or say goodbye - we don't deal with terrorists .

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Half Kouta's salary is not included in the cap. That's ?$0.5 m that the club pays outside the cap.

One whole page in The Herald Sun dedicated to sticking the knife into Carlton...it might help with memberships...

...2007 Carlton season slogan - 'everyone hates us - buy a membership'.

Bradley was a freak. Kouta is a freak.

Sure I want more from Kouta because he is Kouta and not because he is paid $1M in 2006; that's irrelevant.

Form and ability is what we discuss when we pick teams not by looking for parrallels between what they should deliver and the paypacket they receive. We don't say a bloke on the field in the Navy Blue Jumper receiving $150K pa only has to have 8 kicks, 4 handballs, 1 hardball, 2 marks and 1 shepherd.

Nobody knows how long Kouta can go for, and suggesting he retires at the end of the year is sad and extreme....I don't believe you mean that....and hope you mean he is not worth $1M pa at present.

Assuming he is fit and playing for the same position in 2007 and he didn't want to play for less than half of his current $1M in 2007, (which I would be surprised with), that's when I would say "thanks for your contribution over the last decade".

He is an elite athlete, however, yesterday and today. We don't have a CHF. Could he fill that position in 2006-7? Would he not make a more than handy HFF? Do the young blokes feel better when he is on the ground? Do they grow faster with his presence on the ground?

Well what if he kicks 50-60 goals this year because of a change in gameplan or his position, I'm sure he may be worth a bit more than my assessment....and then what do we offer?

To say he should go because he is of no use to us, and takes away potential positions from the young ones, like Bower, is unrealistic and shows a lack of insight. Bower hasn't done an apprentiship yet. Give him the privilege to grow in the 2nds as would 99% of first year players, and if he earns a position in the First 22, then he's earned it.I 'm sure that if he does earn a position in the firsts, he will not be taking the field as a follower or a forward; Kouta's position.

Then there is the leadership issue. There use to be an abundance of leaders on the field in the glory days. He's the only one left from the '95 team, and only Whitnall and Lappin have tasted a GF. We need leaders.

Carltonians should wait till the end of the year to discuss who should stay and who should go. There's still 7 months before the season ends, some 200 days away....anything can happen.

I think supporters' frustration stems from the fact we don't have the right cattle on the list at the moment to be in finals, and finals is what we're all use to....then there's the board, game plan, coaching, draft, Demetriou, Draft penalties issues off the field that seem to take the focus away from what could be in 2007. As a result supporters write off 2007 and are looking at what we should be doing at the end of 2007 without having experienced 2007. Don't try and get too old too quick because there will be a time in your life when you will wish that you were younger to experience this and that.

THE EMPIRE WILL STRIKE BACK!!

PS: Who gives a rats what Kouta's manager says.

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He's a manipulative manager looking out for himself.

For those who think he looks after the interests of Kouta, then you're listening to him....sucked in! If you think that Kouta pounds his chest with excitement, and that his ego is inflated everytime what's his name...Allformeson...speaks out....then Kouta must have told you so.

I reckon Kouta is a victum of circumstance....a real bad one at that.

As the JB Ads would say (once the take-over by Sydney's Lounge Discounters had gone through):

"Sydney - you've done it again!"

So let me get this straight - because Kouta's made recruiting managers look at Ian Prendergast and Jordan Bannister and "devalued the skills it takes to play the game" we should pay him 1 million dollars a year?

Because he's changed the game (for the worse according to you)?

That's like arguing that if Stephen Milne takes a dump in the centre circle before each game and it becomes fashionable we should pay him 1 million dollars because "he's changed the game".

You're completely nuts aren't you Sydney...

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Hey, Deano, how many pages do you reckon this thread will be by the end of the day … just to make sure … I heard Goddard really wants out and can't wait to get back to Carlton. Only hitch is, Hamill does too.

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Dave Allison, Goddard, Hamill. Hmmmm.

Campo says Essendon*'s training is 'more scientific'.

Lance just polished off a half chicken and chips at Red Rooster in Kew.


That oughta do it!

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