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Our prime in and under workhorse. Will inevitably make some mistakes at his age, specially given the amount of work he is doing.

In our list, he is 6th in handballs, 3rd in 1%ers, 3rd in clearances, 2nd in 1st possessions, 1st in tackles,1st in contested possessions (all per game).

He is 16th in errors per game.

Doing rather well. Probably will finish inside our top 10.

Bentick over rated? i Dont think so!!!!


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Is there a stat for the amount of time a player comes up from the bottom of the pack with the ball in his hands? Cause Bentick would be leading in that department, surely???

Great kid. Really like him and it's a bonus that he came of the rookie list. That's some mighty fine recruiting.

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ryan2000- that would be a hard ball get!


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And once again, got the oppositions best midfielder - tagged Brock McLean all day - apart from the first two minutes of the game (McLean started on the bench). AB had the better of McLean. McLean had no influence on the game.

By my account, he has the following scalps to his name this year - Braun, Harris, West, J Johnson and McLean.


AB was Brock's captain at Calder - he would've enjoyed this match up! A better game by AB however agree with most posters regarding lack of awareness and his release of ball from hand to foot, point in case in the last 30 seconds of Saturday's game.


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ryan2000- that would be a hard ball get!


Nah nah......................i mean when a pack forms on the ball and the umpire calls 'Ball-up'. When the pack clears, Bentick is always the one that hands the ball to the umpire for the bounce up.

Not an effective stat by any means.........................but just proves that the kid wants that @#$%&! ball and doesn't give a shit if he gets hurt doing it! :-D

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And once again, got the oppositions best midfielder - tagged Brock McLean all day - apart from the first two minutes of the game (McLean started on the bench). AB had the better of McLean. McLean had no influence on the game.

By my account, he has the following scalps to his name this year - Braun, Harris, West, J Johnson and McLean.


AB was Brock's captain at Calder - he would've enjoyed this match up! A better game by AB however agree with most posters regarding lack of awareness and his release of ball from hand to foot, point in case in the last 30 seconds of Saturday's game.


So Bentick takes a fantastic player out of the game and delivers alot of drive from the midfield but he is to be remembered for a mistake he made in junk time?

C'mon, he played a great game and was in one of our best few players.

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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
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And once again, got the oppositions best midfielder - tagged Brock McLean all day - apart from the first two minutes of the game (McLean started on the bench). AB had the better of McLean. McLean had no influence on the game.

By my account, he has the following scalps to his name this year - Braun, Harris, West, J Johnson and McLean.


AB was Brock's captain at Calder - he would've enjoyed this match up! A better game by AB however agree with most posters regarding lack of awareness and his release of ball from hand to foot, point in case in the last 30 seconds of Saturday's game.


So Bentick takes a fantastic player out of the game and delivers alot of drive from the midfield but he is to be remembered for a mistake he made in junk time?

C'mon, he played a great game and was in one of our best few players.


He played a good game, not a great game. There were a few other instances on Saturday where his awareness wasn't that great and caused a few turnovers (not the only one in the team, mind you).

His foot skills and technique is poor, and the kid needs to be taught the right technique to kicking.

He's learnt to negate his opponent and be the ball winner, but if this cannot be translated to hurting the opposition, as a result of his decision making and effective disposals, then Anthony Franchina is just as good.

Scott West should be AB's role model - similar attributes, but many more strings to Westy's bow and more damaging to the opposition.

The positive for AB is he's still young, and I suspect next year he would have to improve a few other parts of his game if he were to be considered a longer term player.

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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.

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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.


He has played under 50 games, is 21 years old, playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance

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Fabulous wrote:
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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.


He has played under 50 games, is 21 years old, playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance


No more excuses - I hate how many on here defend this kid - we have a crap list, with the exception of a few, and all you say is he's 'playing in the hardest position' as your defence? yeah right

He ain't the exception as he's one dimensional and does not hurt the opposition.

He's a great kid to have around the club, but eventually that'll only get you so far.

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... playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance


Maybe the reason why we have the worst midfield in the comp is because he's playing in it?

He has been absolutely anhililated the last two weeks and I now have serious reservations about his future. Seems to be one paced and his decision making seems questionable. What weapons does he have?

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Wangers wrote:
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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.


He has played under 50 games, is 21 years old, playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance


No more excuses - I hate how many on here defend this kid - we have a crap list, with the exception of a few, and all you say is he's 'playing in the hardest position' as your defence? yeah right

He ain't the exception as he's one dimensional and does not hurt the opposition.

He's a great kid to have around the club, but eventually that'll only get you so far.


Can I ask what do you think of players like Scott West and Sam Mitchell?

People say they don’t hurt the opposition, but there the ones getting the hard balls and feeding them to the Chris Judd’s and Dal Santos.

In no means am I saying he is in the same class as these players, but he has shown glimpses against bigger bodied players in the past. He still has a heap to learn, but we know he is committed and still has an upside in his development as a player…I wouldn’t classify him as a journeyman yet, and I think we should get behind him rather than putting him down.

I think he is far from the problem at Carlton.

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Fabulous wrote:
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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.


He has played under 50 games, is 21 years old, playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance


No more excuses - I hate how many on here defend this kid - we have a crap list, with the exception of a few, and all you say is he's 'playing in the hardest position' as your defence? yeah right

He ain't the exception as he's one dimensional and does not hurt the opposition.

He's a great kid to have around the club, but eventually that'll only get you so far.


Can I ask what do you think of players like Scott West and Sam Mitchell?

People say they don’t hurt the opposition, but there the ones getting the hard balls and feeding them to the Chris Judd’s and Dal Santos.

In no means am I saying he is in the same class as these players, but he has shown glimpses against bigger bodied players in the past. He still has a heap to learn, but we know he is committed and still has an upside in his development as a player…I wouldn’t classify him as a journeyman yet, and I think we should get behind him rather than putting him down.

I think he is far from the problem at Carlton.


See my previous posts about West, in this thread - he does hurt the opposition - and so does Mitchell!!!

Bentick is far from these two players - behind, that is.

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Wangers wrote:
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BUMP....

Looked outta sorts today and last week. Dunno whether the long season is taking it's toll on AB, but looked very slow and couldn't get into the game.

I'm not sold on the lad. He will survive the cut this year - JUST - but next year, I'm not so sure.

Was chasing tails all day and continues to have little impact.


He has played under 50 games, is 21 years old, playing in the hardest position on the field, and on top of that in not only the worst midfield in the comp but the worst team in the competition......give him a chance


No more excuses - I hate how many on here defend this kid - we have a crap list, with the exception of a few, and all you say is he's 'playing in the hardest position' as your defence? yeah right

He ain't the exception as he's one dimensional and does not hurt the opposition.

He's a great kid to have around the club, but eventually that'll only get you so far.


Can I ask what do you think of players like Scott West and Sam Mitchell?

People say they don’t hurt the opposition, but there the ones getting the hard balls and feeding them to the Chris Judd’s and Dal Santos.

In no means am I saying he is in the same class as these players, but he has shown glimpses against bigger bodied players in the past. He still has a heap to learn, but we know he is committed and still has an upside in his development as a player…I wouldn’t classify him as a journeyman yet, and I think we should get behind him rather than putting him down.

I think he is far from the problem at Carlton.


See my previous posts about West, in this thread - he does hurt the opposition - and so does Mitchell!!!

Bentick is far from these two players - behind, that is.


But that is where development comes into account.

He has similar characteristics to these players, he has the ability to get the ball, his disposal by has hand is very good, and he is arguably the best tackler in our team.

Bentick is still young and I agree with you when he will have to continue to improve, but he isn’t a developed a player yet.

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ill tell you what....

there are not too many 20 year olds putting their heads over every contested ball situation and under every pack doing a job noone else wants to do.

Of course he is going to trail off sometimes.

Jessie smith should have given him a hand today... but Denis had him on the bench after dropping Blackers and JR but spoke about "kids"

Lipservice...

He has no faith in the kids... thats why Kouta was re - signed and Lance wont be traded.. and he thought about re drafting Campo last year.

Bentick needs help in the guts!!!.. and anyone bagging him has no idea about football!!!

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Spot on Synbad.

AB is playing with an injury - nothing catastrophic but would rather see the season out than see the doc just yet.


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Pagan's "use" of Smith was disgraceful. We've seen him do it to the kids each week but surely he'd give Smith a good run, so we could see what he's got. Surely. Nup, not our Denis.


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Pagan's "use" of Smith was disgraceful. We've seen him do it to the kids each week but surely he'd give Smith a good run, so we could see what he's got. Surely. Nup, not our Denis.


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Noticed Jesse was on the ground for about 3 minutes before he was dragged for an error at the centre bounce. And French a number of times palming the ball at the centre bounces to the Richmond strengths, where AB had no hope of taking part.


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Pagan's "use" of Smith was disgraceful. We've seen him do it to the kids each week but surely he'd give Smith a good run, so we could see what he's got. Surely. Nup, not our Denis.


But its all part of development.... Quote Pagan on that one..

I couldn't believe it myself... Talk up a Kid , Elevate him one week and don't play him. Play him the following week but have him spend more time watching from the woodwork... Whats for Jesse next week Mr Pagan?? That is if you don't have him dropped. :shock:

My guess he'll be tagging some one , who plays forward pocket for the Pies? and then dragged before we even realise it..

Super Coach Pagan. The development master... :shock:

Kenny is his on his way out our Mr Pagan ???

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