How many of our curent players have experienced that? It means nothing now.

We're playing kids, we've been experimenting in the midfield (and defense), several players have been given the season for comparably minor operations (Murphy, Flint, Kennedy when Murphy could probably play the last couple of rounds and Flint and Kennedy could play VFL finals).

Can't quite remember who or where it was said, but somebody said they witnessed a fairly easy training session, or it might have been a report. And Pagan has said in interviews (as have players) that we'd been training pretty hard.

You are gagging me ??

In any other year, this would be worth a Top 10 pick such is the supposed depth. Every article you read is pumping it up big time and even if you take out the fluff & hot air, it still sounds like a ball-biter talent pool.

In any other year I might agree with you more too but not in this next draft, you can't compare it like other years.

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Exactly Budz, it is just forward planning & trying to further develop the young talent we have at the club. Wins are irrelevant to us, genuine ground time for the up & comers is paramount !!

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Like the 5000 members who failed to renew this year when we had picks 1 & 4 but did renew when we won 10 games & the Wizard Cup in 2004/2005?

Pick 18 may be good. So may pick 25. Once you get up into that range, no matter what people think this draft will be like, it's all a bit of speculation. We'll be fine PP or no PP. It will be much the same either way.

Fev has a broken finger. Stevens is supposed to be carrying an injury. Kennedy has a 4-6 week injury and Murphy has a 12 week injury so how could they play before the end of the season?

Yeah, it means absolutely nothing. We are starting from season 2006 and there is nothing behind us and never has been.

Sure mate, all 17 premierships & the thoughts of Jezza et al have disappeared into the ether.

So, answer me this then, if it means nothing to the players, why then has Sticks been able to give them a talking to from the heart which not only had them wanting to run through brick walls but they got up and won ??

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Maybe the 5000 who dropped off got fed up with watching their team pissing in the wind playing proven duds game after game.

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There's so much I could say...

It was a 12 week injury? Must have missed that.

Kennedy could have still played VFL finals.

I didn't say we couldn't do more, but you alluded to the idea we were doing nothing.

Would you tell Fev to bugger off in a Coleman year when there's a low chance of further damage?

Dunno about Stevens though if it is as bad as some say, could be trade bait...

can we get this guy banned?

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dane's trolling again

its funny how the pro tankers have failed to respond to my take on this

why is thsat?


yes I'd love seven top 10 picks

yep I'd probably hope the club lay down to get them

and when we won (if we did) I'd sing as loud as I ever have.

It really is a futile argument.

the club is either doing the tanking (as in last year and this year) and so we do not need to worry about it

or the club isn't

and so we do not need to worry about it.

in both cases we should celebrate the wins for wins - nothing more, nothing less.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Most of our current players weren't born when Jezza played and wouldn't know who he is.

And it's 16 premierships.

Rightio then ....

So the 5000 members who didn't renew this year are a result of not winning ??

Wouldn't have anything to do with the slipshod way the club has been run over the past 5 years ??

Wouldn't be a backlash towards Pagan or the way he has treated some of the players ??

We came off our first ever wooden spoon with a record membership so your argument is looking like swiss cheese.

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The record membership was a show of support for the draft penalties and for Pagan's signing.

Everyone's trying to ban me.

Anyway, the way people are clinging to a late teen pick as some lifeline which will thrust us into premiership glory really makes me chuckle.

Don't think playing Stevens when injured would help his trade value.

"Stupidest Comment Of The Day"



Do you actually believe that there are players at Carlton who don't know who Jezza ??



PAAAAAALLLLEEEAAASSEEE ................. give me a break !!!

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but its true verbs

if you blow up really really large evry single poster of the flag winning side on the podium you'll see the number 18 mysteriosuly glowing in the background.

I'm convinced


hell I think we should trade all picks just for pick 18!

Pick 18 is God!

not Carlton God, pick 18 is far more all- encompassing than that!

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I can think of how, but I can't be bothered explaining, and it's nothing more than a theory.

EDIT: I hope I'm not being thrown in with the pro-tanking crowd...