Finally! Someone mentions Setanta and Hendo as a pro ... they were as good as we could expect from them.

Cons:
Eddie & Yarran not kicking a goal between them - 6 points FFS!

[edit] Who was this mysterious 3rd Brisbane tall that White would have played on that caused us all the problems.

Staker - 12 poss 1gl

No other tall had any influence up forward other than Fev and Browny

Banfield 11 poss 2 gls

Sherman 12 poss - no goals

Did White have the leg speed to go with either of these or was Armfield and AJ a better option?

So White has performed better than Armfield in the preseason. Where was that fact pulled from. No, don't tell me, it came from some game reviews in the Bullants practice match threads. So your theory is if White had played in place of Armfield we would have won. You think that 1st gamer White would have been swung onto Fev and/or Browny and saved the game for the Blues? Spare me.

Regards Cazzesman

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You are wasting your time BB. The facts never get in the way of Keoghs opinions.

Regards Cazzesman

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[edit] if you couldnt see that Thornton needed help in containing Brown.
jamo and TBird were the only big backman with Bower out.
Not questioning Armfield's courage for a minute because he is a courageous but I didnt see him near Brown because he was too busy looking after Sherman and Banfield etc
We needed another tall big body in defence so we pick another small. [edit]

White would have taken Staker.
Russell Walker Anderson to take the small forwards. We had plenty of pace to start with
These 3 guys didnt do enough to help Thornton.
And nobody filled the hole infront of CHF.



And I reckon its a bit rich to suggest that RR and the "Johnny Cash"' man dont give accurate Bullants reports.
White is ready to play senior footy according to them . This guy is a goer 98kg mature aged and should have played.

And how do you know he wouldnt play a blinder. Barlow did for freo. Similar story.That shit happens sometimes if you are prepared to take a punt but this MC has a history of being way too conservative in their selections. Nothing against Denis Armfield but he wasnt the correct replacement for Bower.

The amount of space around Brown Thornton was ridicolous and Walker didnt go to help enough. He was the man on the third tall in Staker most of the time. I reckon he is still worried about his shoulder. And I aint the only one on this site that thinks that.
And I aint the only one who reckons White should have played.
Doc Sherrin being one

THe MC flowered up on this one. Plain and simple
You are wrong. Plain and simple

When did keogh switch from Casboult to White?

Don't know if there's anything wrong with Hammer but i would have gone a different route and play him play forward, ruck and bench allowing, at times, Waite and Setanta as cover for obvious backup problems if Brown or Fev fired. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but as it turned out Warnock was just serviceable at best.

I'd be disappointed if the Bower situation was a club ruse and he was no chance at all to play all week, then not have other options available in the emergencies.

Playing White didn't make sense in this game, he would NEVER have played on Brown or Fev and i doubt he would be used to "filling" space in front of goliath's of the game. Brown's kicked about 46 goals in total the last 9 times we've played them, i would have a guess and say the vast majority of those would have been on T-Bird. I think the next time we play Brisbane that he doesn't match up on him except for short periods to give others a break, Browny must get seriously erect when the Bird comes close.

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He is still young and has time on his side but not I'm sure whether he has enough smarts. Can't question his committment

take it up with cazzes mate, hes the one who said armfield played on banfield. i just quoted banfields stats.

i agree on the turnovers.

Dont worry .The fact that we dont have a guy who can take a pack overhead mark will do all our heads in by the end of the year.


And funny that these so called experts havent said flower anything as to why Brown and Thornton were allowed to be isolated . No answers from you there Cazz. Not yet anyway. Suits your argument doesnt it.
That we know what we are doing and I know nothing. Watch teams block Brown's space and support fellow teammates.

If I was Brett Thornton I would be livid at the collective support I received from my teammates.

We could have Warnock the tallest man on the park blocking his path but from what I saw last night thats unlikely. Lucky for him that Leunberger doesnt look like much chop either

You're watching a different player to me. The Henderson I'm watching chases, tackles, harrasses and runs back into space as hard as anyone.
Plus his disposal to the other forwards is as good as anyone in the team.

FWIW, I would have played White at the expense of Anderson. Going into the game against a team that plays 3 tall forwards with 2 key backs was always a concern. It wouldn't have made the difference between winning and losing but it was a perfect opportunity to bring him in against a third tall. Just my opinion which I stated before the event.

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So it's my fault that you jumped in to support Keogh with stats that don't support at all.

Regards Cazzesman

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Before the game Ratts would have taken a four or five goal haul from BRown. He had 3 at half time. One kicked from a long way out. Until that point Thornton and Brown found themselves pretty isolated. It was not panic stations and at half time we were beating them all around the ground but stuffing up with turnovers also helping the bears isolate brown and thornton. Any of these teams you see putting players in front of brown would have struggled to contain him if they turned it over like we were.
In the second half Ratts did start plonking blokes in front of him. OUr third quarter was good. Minimal turn overs and increased tackling and the team began kicking goals rather than points. Towards the end of the quarter Brown went nuts. Out marking packs of carton players and also a kicking goal on the run.

In the last they ran all over us and brown even when pushed wide was marking and kicking some amazing goals.

Try as some do you cant blame last nights game on Ratts or the MC for not picking White or Casboult or whichever rookie you want to bring up. The team out on the ground stuffed it up. They Kruezer,Carlos,Waite,Betts,Yarran, Carrazzo and Henda all missed goals they should have scored. Anderson,Thornton, Waite and Robo all turned the ball over for simple goals. Brown kicked straighter than he ever has. We lost.

Just finished watching the replay.

We blew it. Turnovers cost 50% of the goals and the missed goal opportunities gave us no scoreboard pressure.

The White/Armfield talk is a total non entity. Had no bearing on the game at all. Banfields 2nd gl was kicked on JR. Staker had no influence.

The poster who said Yarran doesn't put his head over the ball needs to get his glasses fixed. His defensive pressure was excellent, causing several turnovers and misskicks. Sure some of his tackles were broken but he is no physical giant in just his 2nd year. To state after todays game he doesn't put his head over the ball is just wrong. Not once was he required to show any kamikaze stupidity. He keeps his feet and doesn't waste his balance by diving on the ball like many others. His finishing skills were not great today but he worked as hard as any forward to keep the ball inside F50.

As club29 said Brown kicked a couple out of his backside for his last 4 when the pressure was on and that's what good players do.

As for Anderson. He had 3 terrible clangers in the 2nd quarter and after that he was solid.

We worked hard and we butchered the ball and lost as a result. Better use of the footy is where the improvement will come.

Regards Cazzesman

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I was at the game and this sums up Yarran's game quite well.
Like Betts he didn't finish off very well last night however he will be better for the experience.
Yarran will be a gem IMO.

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go back and have a read - i quoted sydney blue not keogh. sydney blue disagreed with your assessment of armfield keeping banfield quiet. i agreed and added some stats that told us banfield contributed to 4 goals. i never said i disagreed with having armfield in the team so not sure how you linked me with keogh.

having said that, some of you people are very sensitive about anything negative being said on any carlton player.

they got away from us on two occassions (2nd and last quarters) without playing over us

on each occassion we paid the price for some appalling disposal ... most of which were without much pressure

it beats me how we have some many players on our list that are not regular and reliable with their kicking

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Cons

We lost a winnable game.
Some of the dribble and lunacy being written about this game.

Pros

This was to me a very very illuminating game as to where CFC is right now.
You can win every bloody KPI under the sun, but unless you can put the pill
through those big sticks, its all navel fluff !!
As to some of the individual performances, personally (like most here im guessing)
i only watched it on tv, but cant believe some of the negative crap being offered up.

The 2 best CHB's ive ever seen are Peter Knights and Bruce Doull.
J. Brown would have had them both for breakfast in that form.
One out and with no help for Thornton, it was always going to happen.
Yarran didnt have a great game scoreboard wise, but he showed other facets
that will serve him wonderfully well ovr the ensuing years, he will be a player.
Cant believe the vitriol being heaped on Anderson.
Sure he stuffed a few up, but he is raw and if you cant see the potential
there then you are, simply, unreallistic.
Murphy was electric, Irish and Henderson showed plenty, Kreuzer was special K
all right, Mclean showed why we recruited him and kudos to Ratts for the Simpson spark.

Bottom line, can you remember many teams being 3.11 at half time and winning ?
The difference being the delivery (and space) provided by Black, Johnstone, Rich (only in
the last Q) and Drummond. Perfect example in the last Q when Drummond hit up
Banfield (i think) with a pinpoint round the body 50 metre pass.
Our blokes can do that too, but hey, we are rejigging our forward line, its not going
to be precision at round 2 after having a one man forward line for years.

I think anyone who isnt more confident about 2010 after that game should get on Ebay
and look up Jousting Sticks !!

Oh, and you smug prick Vossy, cant wait for the rematch down here.
If you think blokes like Maguire will get you there, then you already have a full set
of frickin Jousting Sticks.

PS........ please, oh please, for the sake of this forum.... JUST WIN NEXT WEEK !!!

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turn overs killed us . Agree with that but we needed Brown to be double teamed at all times
That didnt happen and that is dumb footy.

Bottom line Brown was the difference. Turn overs didnt help but Thornon didnt get much help from his teammates

White would have been more likely to leave his man to help as well than Armfield.

Brown is an intimidating footballer.

Brown would have killed any footballer Thursday night.
Thornton needed more assistance and didnt get it

Don't know what more anyone else could have done to contain Brown. He was getting his kicks (mostly) 50+ out and towards the boundary. But shit he is a wonderful kick.... pulled them out of his arse all night.

We had more than enough chances.... we simply blew it.

Some of the misses from Yarren and Betts had me smacking my head. They were sitters.

We were great in the middle.... McLean is a wonderful get. I admit I was a bit worried with his pre season form, but he's been fantastic.

How much better will we be with Judd controlling the forward half of the middle... at very least our forwards will get better delivery.

We missed bowers run out of defence... hope he is back soon, but it wasn't critical to the result. I thought defensively we did well.

Our issue is our forward line ... and in reality its just in terms of experience, not ability. Irish's lovely mark on the half forward flank was undone as he tried to run off his man... I think that caused a turnover goal.

Henderson will in the future cop it like Houla does now... He is silky smooth so it looks like he isn't applying himself half the time.

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Not sure why a guy who has never played VFL much AFL should have been called into the team.

Unless you know White inside and out both physically and mentally, you have no way of knowing if he should have been selected.

But if it suits your argument that Ratts is a shit coach then go for it.

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