I tell you what i don't expect Kermit,and that is to be told by the Club about negotiations that are on going and no decision has been reached on!

Have you heard about a thing called confidentiality?..I'm not sure about your background but it is a fundamental in any professional discussion/negotiation.

As i said earlier,these guys were elected to do a job.Let them get on with it.If you feel so strongly write to them or better still stand for the position.

My background is in Chartered Accounting. I understand confidentiality.

I think you are confusing our club with an organisation that knows what it is doing. The information they issued last year to members was a pile of shit which only gave a one sided and distorted view.

It is clear to me that they featured the redevelopment preminantly as a key feature of the move without having one single thing in place. It was all bullshit, nothing more than a dream.

In the rush to sign up at TD for 10 years they forgot to look after the minor details.

But Synbad if there's nothing report it. Give a current status of where we are at with re-development.

Yeah I agree Kermit staying at Optus Oval - Saturday and Sunday Afteroon Prime Time Fixtures - huge crowds of 22,000 - would have been the smart thing to do. CPA's we should have employed your thinking.

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AGRO - ACA actually.

Not sure that I ever advocated staying at OO.

Not to worry Agro you just fire off whatever comes to mind first.

My apologies CPA's are the ones advocating Wind Power Stations.

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And you did what?????

Stood for committee ?

Questioned the Board at the AGM???

Let me answer it.....You did Jack!!!!!........

Tell me about your POSITIVE involvement?

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Funny how it always come back to the individual. I have said on a number of posts that the issue is about AFL financial assistance for OO's redevelopment.

But as usual wankers like you keep bring it back to personal insults and inane comments like what did you do, where were you etc etc.

Like I said everyone is entitled to an opinion.

I know what I did at the time and I am happy I did all I could to get my point of view to the club. The move went ahead and we all move on. That part is over.

To quote you "wankers like me bring it back to personal insults and inane comments"

What personal insults and what are inane comments?

I will ask you again....

1)And you did what?????

2)Stood for committee ?

3)Questioned the Board at the AGM???

Kermit,as a relative newbie to this Forum i recalled your signature from the old TBV day..Seems your negativity continues...

Note that on page 3 you failed to answer BV's question...

http://theblueview.org/phpboard/viewtop ... sc&start=0

For those with some spare time,you might like to refer to this post.Note Malouf's response to Kemit...Seems our little frog chose never to attend the information sessions despite the high profile nature of them....

http://theblueview.org/phpboard/viewtop ... sc&start=0


Kermit.....Is your name Maxwell????......

Whats your point?

Because I couldn't make it between the hours of 3.00pm and 6.30pm I had been assured that there would be an information tent prior to one of our games at OO last year. I was promised that there would be directors present and that Q&A would occur. Take a look at the post Malouf by his own admission pulled the sessions that day. No warning. Is that my fault? I'm sure they had thier reasons for doing although I was PO'ed at the time.

My views as stated in the post you attached really haven't changed.

You seem hell bent on trying everything to divert the issue from will the AFL financially support the redevelopment to discrediting me and others who argued differing positions to yourself.

I was actually happy enough to wait until the club announces their intentions later this month.

If you want to rehash the debate we had last year then by all means start a new thread.

You could have made it KERMIT.. You chose not to...
It wasnt important enough...

Thats what it boiled down to.

Did you call the CEO and say sorry i couldnt make it but can we make a time for a chat???
It amazes me how many people dont give a @#$%&! and jump up and down at shadows just for the hell of it.

PREZ.. tell us where did you get those figures that Carltons break even at Optus is 14k... thats a very Surreyesque statement...

I wanna know how you arrived at that figure...

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The Roos drew 12,448 fans to their round eight encounter with Port Adelaide in 1997, and 12,958 spectators two rounds later when it took on the West Coast Eagles. And while the club will be looking to draw a crowd in the high teens to break even on gate receipts this year, Walsh was eager to promote the positives.

http://kangaroos.com.au/?pg=printerfrie ... leid=47759

Butterss said the break-even crowd figure for Colonial Stadium was "simply too high" for now at 27-28,000.

http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... leid=48527

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Whats that got to do with anything J?


for example... is it walk up punters who pay to get in thaT make the dosh on the day?
Does club membership change the dynamics??

For example.. the club already has 34k worth of members money... right???

Ok... so those people dont pay to get in... follow???

so opposition supporters pay to get in right???

And non members.

supposing our members are higher than Norths... which it is...

But supposing in 1998 we had a membership of 20k..... 10 k rocked up to the ground as members... 14k paid to get in (average crowd 24k) and we broke even.....

Then suppose we had a membership of 34k (2005) and 20k rocked up to a game.. and 4k were non payers... (24,000 attendance)

I wanna know how the hell do those figures get worked out???

all we know is John Elliott said we break even at 14,000 at Optus.. what the fuc k does that mean???

If 14k members came to the ground didnt pay a cent we break even???

Is that the same Jack Elliott that was going to sign an affidavit that the club didnt cheat the salary cap?
Was that the same Jack Elliott that thought the Legends stand was a ripper idea.,.???

Is that the same Jack Elliott that was trading insolvent and bankrupted??


Butters... hmmmmmmmmmmm... bitching cos they cant get a crowd... is he bitching now???

What was their profit last year???

And North are bitching ten years later that life is too hard...

SO WHAT???????

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thought high teens would be supporting your ascertion that the 14-15K figure was wrong. If you are having trouble reading I can have the transcripts taped for you and maybe you could give listening a go.

The butters stuff, just chucked it in for the hell of it.

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Jarusa all im saying is when they say a break even figure .. how the hell do they know????

Supposing the Break even figure at Telstra for Carlton is 24k... but 30k came along and of those noone paid to get in because we were playing Freo and were all members...

Most clubs have a bigger membership than when Jack said 14k break even at Optus anyway (including us) so if we have that money already... whats the new break even point for a Carlton with 34k members at a ground that opposition supporters didnt go to???

That break even argument doesnt wash....!!!!

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Synbad is right in that we needed to start making money out of opposition supporters. If the amount of Brisbane supporters that were at the dome the other night went to Optus they would have filled the legend stand.

The money men at the clubs seem to know these figure pretty well.

After all the mix of members/non-members is not going to change too much during the season.

Brian Cook earlier this year had some interesting stuff to say as well:

Said that at Skilled Stadium a crowd of 25,000 means a $500,000 profit.
Also said that at Telstra Dome a crowd of 45,000 means a $280,000 profit.

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Really????So why dont they play all of their games at Skilled????
MAte... i think alot of these people catch their own farts in their hands and take a sniff....

Fancy playing at Telstra (how often do Geelong get 45k plus there) for 225k when all they need to do is play at Skiled and make $500k with 25,000 people... now what profit did Gellong make last year J????

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Synbad - I didn't realise that you were so familiar with my diary. I'll have all my appointments put through you from here on in if you don't mind?

Of course we are all expected to take Syndab's version as gospel because he knows everything there is to know about anything. Happy to throw figures around but as soon as anyone else states a contrary position - bang they get shot down.

The Geelong example is spot on. Why does the maths work for Geelong but not Carlton? Answer because the AFL wants it that way and we had a Board, President and Administration that were not strong enough to stand up for the rights of the club and its members.

Geelong and Cook were strong enough and despite what Synbad says Geelongs future looks a whole lot brighter than ours at the moment. They are reaping the rewards of acting in the best interest of thier club and community.