Makes you wonder why we didnt tank last year then. If they are tanking this year it makes us look pretty stupid when the quality was better last year. Hell we could have tanked both years and then we would be well ahead. Whose running the place Synbad - Get down there and sort them out will you

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The problem is people talk about culture and pride.
It is also there with the suporters .
Were probably more switched on than your average Carlton supporter that lives in Lilydale and reads the Hun and listens to Rexy on 3aw.. and you still get people that dont get it.!!!

Its pretty hard for a club thats broufght up on a diet of success to wipe off 5 (years)!!!.

Even if thats the correct thing to do.
There neeeds to be a 5 year plan in place.
Yoiu wont realistically be a good team till then ... so the first 2 or 3 should be about getting as many talented kids into the club as possible and developing them... then the next 2 should be about maturing them...
The following 5 should be your window of opportunity.
Much like politicians club officials only have a short time to impress or theyre out. so they dont usualloy go for long term plans.

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sydney Blue though alot of this stems from the stupidity and the lqack of any foresight from your man Jack Elliott.

So you should be the last person to complain...

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Best example of tanking - asking Mark Athorn to play again.


Or maybe we can put camporeale back in the midfield - that would be just as clever.

I can still see him playing ring ring a rosie with a brisbane player in my mind...running around the centre square playing tagging games and never once getting near the ball.


Let's not make all the tanking talk too obvious.... we want the present system to continue. On the Hawthorn supporter sites, they aren't whingeing about it as much as us are they?

We don't want to see St Kilda get all the priority picks and for the AFL to pull the plug on it next year. Would that be fair? No.

The system has to continue for at least another 2 years. Say yes to priority picks and stop whingeing about it. We want our feed from the trough too you know.

I've said it before on a different forum, I don't think we're as far behind the Hawks as we probably should be, all things considered. A see a fair bit of the Hawks cause my best mate is a fan, and frankly, I think our kids are mostly better.

Hawks fans will tell you that they have more 50 game players, but the trouble is they're the only ones who think half of them are any good.

What they have done is drop all their draft picks in the deep end this year to ensure that they don't win games and they get the 2 midfielders they didn't draft last year. Long term I think our 2004 draftees will be better off having spent this year in the ressies.

Fair enough Synbad we get your F#$%#@$G point but why not start it last year . By the way I know some very nice people out Lilydale way

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good point... might have gotten DeLedio

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Sydney Blues whats your point? Apart from Pagan cant coach and Collo cant manage and Brittain and Elliot are our men??

I have more points than a porcupine compared to your two.

Plus i know some nice people in Lilydale too....

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At least Jack done every thing he could to win.

Tell me Synbad whats worse - Asking supporters to follow a club and secret break stupid rule to try ensure your team wins.

Or

Asking supporters to hand over their hard earned on membership , sponsorship etc and then go out and try to lose.

And why because it has all become to hard for them so they are taking the easy road- Lets get the picks.

I know which I prefer and I know who is being more deceiving.


You need to step back and look at the bigger picture your obbession with Campo and Whitnal and Draft picks is clouding your judgement

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SydneyBlue, I don't know you personally but THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, for making feel sane again.

"At least Jack did everything he could to win".. win what???????

Look you Einstein... you have to walk before you can run.. you have to crawl before you can walk... if youre a parent you will get just as much satisfaction in watching your children crawling.. as you would walking and running.. cos it means thyre developing.

If youre a @#$%&! wit.. you would leave your spouse to look after the kids and go to the pub and come back when your children are adults and leaving home.

See youve been brainwashed with this Elliot "We never rebuild bullshit"

But because you share something in common with me ill explain to you the procedure abouyt what it takes for us to get off the bottom again...

But that doesnt stop me from labelling your Silly Mark 3 ....

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Now in this game once they bounce the ball all we have to do is not touch.... 0-0 would be a great result as the Filth would lose their PP and we can still beat the Bummers

Of course, we would have to defend OUR goals valiantly to make sure the Maggies don't force through any rushed behinds

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peas in a pod

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Talk about brainwashing Synbad, you've some how convinced everyone here that Carlton are tanking and everything will be ok when we get the picks. You know very well we don't need to tank to finish down the bottom. No football club tanks.

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So if Collingwood go into this game with 6 of their best players out we should do our very best to win it even if it means next year they have a better team than us out on the park.. and we dont bring into the club the best possible talent???

Sometimes you have to use some nouse to see you through....

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Synbad I get you point but why wait until the baby was two to teach it to walk why not do it when it turns one.

In other words why not do it last year - We would have been further down the track. It reeks of incompentence if they have only realised this year this was the only way forward. ( Which it is not by tthe way ask the Crows and the Swans and the eagles how many seasons they have tanked)

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Synbad put what you want to happen to the side here, do you believe or know for that matter that Carlton are deliberately trying to lose football games?

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If it were up to me it would have been donr last year.
The problem is pride and fear ...

Its just something that HAS to be done.Its not like i want to be last...its that its better to come last if it means you can start going forward.

If you didnt get rewarded i wouldnt want it.. but the system is set up for the last team to get the most benefit....
Its a loaded dice.. win games and no talent and there is a glass ceiling to stop you from doing anything significant.

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maybe we should stop worrying about other @#$%&! clubs fortunes and do everything in our power to move forward.

tanking to get picks, is cheap, and has about a much class as a $2 street whore. It does nothing for the kids, or the culture around the place.

why sell our soul to come last so we can play the game and get some picks.

screw that, i want my club to stay ture to itself and the proud histroy we have made by working and are being the best. I want us to do everything we can to win everyweek. and if that somehow reduces our future chances (even though the system probably wont last much longer), well then so be it. atleast it wont be a hollow victory, knowing it is simply our trun on the AFL merry-go-round.
atleast when we do get some where we can be mighty proud of our acomplishments.

i dont want a @#$%&! AFL manufactured flag were we have to lay ourselves down to become the next hand out club like the saints.

i want up to pick and nurture and develop our our kids and turn a few of them into stars.
if some other clubs sell themselves out to get a better chance at better kids then fine with me, atleast we will still have our culture and pride.

it may just be that we simply aren't good enough to get off the bottom this year, in which case then fine, but atleast i know we tried our best.

There is no way the club would try and deliberately lose any games.
Thats what pisses me off....

Denis does not want to lose!!!!

Its easy to do if you did... you just drop a couple of experienced players and bring in Russell and Blackwell.. youd give Fev a rest for his groin problem..


Our real problem is some of our most experienced players are not capable of paving the way for the younger kids coming through.
I guess that a reason why i would want pick one . So you can draft future leaders so we dont have these episodes too often when the club is devoid of real talent and skippers.

Clubs dont tank... last game or two they might,
Remember Dogs and their treatment of a couple of senior players last year?(Late on)

I do believe Hawthorn havent given this year their all....Barker and Holland have been swept under the carpet.
And no way can you win many games playing footy the way they do.They have more talented players than us.
We at least have the excuse too little talent.

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