Talking Carlton Index Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington Lochie O'Brien Kerryn Harrington CFC Home CFC Membership CFC Shop CFC Fixture Blueseum
It is currently Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:16 am

All times are UTC + 10 hours




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 168 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next
Author Message
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:49 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm
Posts: 3768
Stefchook wrote:
2ndeffort wrote:
End of the day, singing the club song and wearing the club tie wont pay your mortgage or put your kids through school!


On modern-day footballers salaries (even those not in the top 6 at their club!) I don't think too many footballers would be struggling to pay their mortgage or put their kids through school! :roll:


Yes but they only last a limited time.

We were all very happy with him when he knocked back the Richmond offer 3 years ago to stay with us for less.

He's gone on & been our only All Aust in that time.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:58 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 pm
Posts: 2585
Location: Hoppers Crossing
GWS wrote:
Matthew Lappin wrote:
It's kind of my turn now to get the right one (deal).


I've been on the "see ya later Lance and Campo but I hope we can keep Matty" bandwagon but with that one comment he's lost me.

There's been a F@%&#! queue down there of greedy little F@%&#! with their hands out for too long and it's time players earnt what the club is willing to pay them. If they don't like it they can all piss off.

Sorry Matty - F@%&#! off and take your leech manager with you.

You've earnt well over a million bucks from this club and now you want more. Think about that next time you're at a hospital at 3am and there's a nurse who's devoted thirty years of his/her life for that sort of cash. Do you think they're going to be able to stick their hand out for a final three year handshake at the end of their career? Not F@%&#! likely you greedy little F@%&#!.

A "career" in football was never about "setting yourself up for life". That was a myth perpetuated by other greedy little F@%&#! like our club captain. You play football because you love it and if you've got half a brain you'll spend your time when you've finished playing doing something else you love regardless of the remuneration.

Your turn... :roll:

Geez I miss Bruce Doull... :cry:


Agree GWS, but I've been saying it for a long time.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:19 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:39 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:47 am
Posts: 18288
Location: talkingcarlton.com
All it will take BM is for Lappo to sign for 2 years.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:49 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Wed Mar 02, 2005 11:17 am
Posts: 18761
Location: threeohfivethree
BlueMark wrote:
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.


I knew we could count on you... :lol:


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 4:51 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm
Posts: 2123
BlueMark wrote:
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.


Agree with that. Sometimes the player just cannot win. If they leave they're labelled 'disloyal' and money-hungry, if they actually show loyalty and stay on less and be among our best players over a number of seasons they're castigated when they suggest they should be rewarded for loyalty.

Having said that I hope Matty will sit down and agree a two-year deal with the option of a third.

_________________
Formerly Blues-Back2003.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:08 pm 
Offline
Horrie Clover

Joined: Thu Sep 15, 2005 5:00 pm
Posts: 391
it is sad, and matty lappin has been my favourite player for a few years now, but unfortunately the club has a responsibility to its members to seek to improve. We can't show loyalty to all our employees and continue to stay in the bottom four. I hate the thought of Matty leaving, but if he gets to a new club, and plays in a flag side, and we get a good youngster who plays a lot of football for the club in return, it can be a good outcome for all

Having had to watch Jezza change clubs all those years ago, this is small by comparison


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:20 pm 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Fri Mar 04, 2005 10:58 am
Posts: 2143
Mrs Caz wrote:
All it will take BM is for Lappo to sign for 2 years.



Agree... but why the hell did they sign Fevola for three years?

Wouldn't he take a two year contract?


I mean it wasn't as if he had produced the form that warrants a 3 year contract. I think Fevola has the potential ... but he has never shown it.

While hacks like campo get paid 500k plus Lappo produces and gets paid less. It is frustrating but i agree with what GWS said as well. Money has clouded his judgement.

What about if he can place in the top 3 in the best and fairest then we reward him with a pay rise... would Lappo stay then?


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:21 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am
Posts: 18076
Blues2005 wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.


Agree with that. Sometimes the player just cannot win. If they leave they're labelled 'disloyal' and money-hungry, if they actually show loyalty and stay on less and be among our best players over a number of seasons they're castigated when they suggest they should be rewarded for loyalty.

Having said that I hope Matty will sit down and agree a two-year deal with the option of a third.


Having said that you are having a dollar each way as usual.
Its simple really.
Matty wants 3 years and will leave if he cant get it.

Would you give it to him or let him walk?
No ifs, buts or maybes.

_________________
Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:25 pm 
Offline
Laurie Kerr

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 3:20 pm
Posts: 133
cfc is too conservative. they have been for the last 5 years with contracts and look the same still to this day.

if they give whitnall his contract, we are in shit. more shit than we expected.

campo can get out, selfish person with no ambition to give something back to what has given him so much.

lappo is obviously unlucky... to ttrade him is the best way to go..we cant afford to give him 3yrs...

were trying to rebuild the club ... if the club is crap with these players this year, why not lose them now?

its all unfortunate but must happen.. and most supporters wont realise it how important it is to lose most of these players until 5 yrs down the track...

_________________
Give and you shall recieve


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:09 am 
Offline
Bruce Doull
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:27 am
Posts: 33188
Location: In the box.
BlueMark wrote:
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.


Look Lappin wants a shitload.. something like a million... mostly backloaded into his last year.... (cos im on the veterans list and wont be using up as much of the Total salary cup space... and Kouta will be gone blah blah...)... the bit where he says he will play for match payments is misleading because its match payments plus a bumper backloaded contract...
The club wont go up that road again..

_________________
Due to recent budget cuts and the rising cost of electricity, gas, and oil....... the Light at the End of the Tunnel has been turned off. We apologize for the inconvenience.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:14 am 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:08 pm
Posts: 2585
Location: Hoppers Crossing
I love the way you manage to apologise completely for him Synbad when you crucify anyone else that chases money over the club


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:02 am 
Offline
Rod Ashman
User avatar

Joined: Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:48 am
Posts: 2367
Location: Riyadh
Lappin asking for a three year deal is not unreasonable, as the club always has the option whether to agree. In all negotiations people put in their ambit claim initially, and work back from that point. Unlike some other high profile players, Lappin can point to consistent high playing standards, on-field durability and showing care and responsibility towards our club. The significant issue for him to ponder were his relatively lacklustre performances this past season.

While I have grave concerns about the culture at Optus Oval at the moment, I don't necessarily think that Lappin can be tarred with the same brush. His history with us would suggest he be given a decent hearing, and I would be astounded if he was not playing with us next year.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:12 am 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am
Posts: 17893
I heard snipets of the Lappin interview. He said Carlton offerd him an OK deal but his manager said, "Don't sign cos we can get 3 years for you". Then he said he should be rewarded cos he was AA last year and he has never been in the top 6 for pay.


As far as I am concerned, I would rather lose him for free then re-sign him atm. If we are going to have players comparing their wages to what others are getting, you are going to have one crappy disjointed team. Get rid of this virus before it spreads to other players.
One AA year followed by a season of disinterest doesnt make you an elite player young fella.

_________________
T E A M


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 12:45 pm 
Offline
Geoff Southby
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 11:38 am
Posts: 5824
Location: home
I agree with everyone on here in parts.
I like Skinny and think he has served us well, without extorting us to this point. I also have concerns over offering a player of his age 3 years.

The part that worries me the most is the message we are sending to all prospective pre seaason draft/trade prospects. Come to Carlton while your young and growing as a player, turn down more lucrative offers from other clubs(like we would all do in real life.... rarely) and remain loyal, but if you think your worth shit to us as you get near the end the request we made for loyalty from you in terms of pay cuts and remaining a blue for less will not be returned.
Not a good way to sell our club to other players we are trying to attract. :? There's more to marketing than Fev turning up at the opening of a can of soup.

_________________
The most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

Ronald Reagan


Last edited by killpies on Mon Sep 19, 2005 1:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 1:11 pm 
Offline
Stephen Kernahan
User avatar

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:31 am
Posts: 17893
Killpies, I think the other way to look at it is for players to realise there is a professional attitude and they will get what they are worth. The club wont be losing players cos of a glut of overpaid senior players. Carlton are no different to what others are doing.
Players need to realise that their careers cant go on for ever. They are paid very well in comparisn to the community for the reason that one day their services wont be required or valued. If they cant accept it, dont play AFL in the first place.

_________________
T E A M


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:25 pm 
Offline
Ken Hunter
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 01, 2005 8:12 am
Posts: 10076
buzzaaaah wrote:
.
One AA year followed by a season of disinterest (in the rudderless bottom team) doesnt make you an elite player young fella.


adjusted, but spot on.......

2 years @$200k and a 3rd at same if top 10 for the first 2. FAIR

_________________
Oompa loompa doompety dee
If you are wise you'll listen to me


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:27 pm 
Offline
Garry Crane

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:27 pm
Posts: 227
Lappin's loyalty is not ignored.

If the was the VFL he would have got a three year contract, he has to realise the realities of the situation and he really did have a poor year that does not warrant a three year deal.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 2:37 pm 
Offline
Craig Bradley
User avatar

Joined: Tue Mar 08, 2005 8:39 am
Posts: 7507
Location: Within the Tao except when I am here.
Synbad wrote:
BlueMark wrote:
Staggers me that a player that has done the right thing by the club for years, is getting shredded by some at the moment. We demand loyalty from players but turn on them the instant they do something we do not agree with. Sad. While I think his manager may be behind some of the animosity at the moment, I sincerely hope that the club and Matty can sit down and sort out the problem in a civilised manner.


Look Lappin wants a shitload.. something like a million... mostly backloaded into his last year.... (cos im on the veterans list and wont be using up as much of the Total salary cup space... and Kouta will be gone blah blah...)... the bit where he says he will play for match payments is misleading because its match payments plus a bumper backloaded contract...
The club wont go up that road again..


Thats crap and you know it.

BV I would offer Lappo a two year deal, with a have a one year option put in place and bonus's as well. Lappo has been on 180 000 for the last three years. Think we can cut him a little slack

_________________
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty" -Winston Churchill

L.M 35-06


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:03 pm 
Offline
Robert Walls

Joined: Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:28 pm
Posts: 3768
King Leonidas wrote:
he really did have a poor year that does not warrant a three year deal.


Why is coming 6th in the B&F a poor year? There were 32 players who had a worse year.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 168 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9  Next

All times are UTC + 10 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 36 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group