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Are you suggesting we actually have a midfield?

1.Once they get a run on (call it three goals ), we do not know what to do. We do not man up, we do not look to take the momentum away from them. This must be the senior players job - Stevens, Koutafides, Scotland.

Well the midfield isnt actually a midfield its a defence.

If you actually watch whats going on they have all been played behind the ball... tagging or sweeping....
Houla, Carazzo, Walker, Simmo, Scotland...

So how is it a midfield????

Of course you cant play positive football when you have ALL your numbers behind the ball...

The bloke is killing us...

WE NEED TO DRAFT MIDFIELDERS!!!!!!!!!

Are you suggesting we actually have a midfield?

Bring in Jesse Smith and tell him to fire-up and get angry

I say this from some distance, however would offer the following:

Our midfield profile appears to be very similair to what we have always had and relied on building the 'empire' upon - in and under players with a mix of receivers (qtr backs).
We had Bradley and Campo work very effectively with Diesel and Ratts. It was a successful strategy. Today we are developing Bentick and Blackwell (still relying on Kouta) to get the ball out....with Stevens and Houla to deliver it. That model is either outdated or is open to exploitation.

To my mind the game has evolved. Midfielders today are allrounders and stand out as self sufficient footballers. Nick Del Santo is a great example of this type. Mark Ricuiitto (however you spell his name) another. Michael Voss was brilliant. Ball. Judd.

Kouta at his exceptional peak was our proto type.

No doubt Marc Murphy is a step in the right direction. Maybe Walks will be similiar. But we have some way to build a bunch of footballers who can play an all round game on their own.

Sure you need a blend and nothing is perfect. But is seems we are still stuck in this mode of one type of player for a role.

Sure our priority should be to recruit mid fielders, but lets get guys that are 'superhuman' and can do it all :roll:

Actually fanciful, but not really a joke. We should throw all efforts at securing the best midfield footballers. Guys that aren't one dimensional.

R.I.P Diesel and Braddles.

We just seemed to be waiting for the ball yesterday. Wierd game.

Actually fanciful, but not really a joke. We should throw all efforts at securing the best midfield footballers. Guys that aren't one dimensional.

R.I.P Diesel and Braddles.

Author:	The Vet [ Mon May 22, 2006 7:39 am ]
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It seems that this is where we now get pumped - Collingwood and now The Saints. Having been to both games, it seems to me that the similarities run like this: 1.Once they get a run on (call it three goals ), we do not know what to do. We do not man up, we do not look to take the momentum away from them. This must be the senior players job - Stevens, Koutafides, Scotland. 2.We seem to have no plan B. Before the game we were practising in teh centre ruck drills, with bags, and positions (all whilst the Saints were out there). That was the plan we took into the game, and it never changed. We got smashed. I don't actually recall winning a centre bounce down. 3. We cannot identify our opponents (partly because of our flooding, and partly because of their rotation), but we all seem to play wide of all of them. This leads to them being able to swarm us. All in all, pretty appalling stuff. But I thopught that DP was talking up our midfield, now being able to rest players, and rotate them. Is this an issue for DP or Liberatore (Yech, still don't like saying that one).

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Mon May 22, 2006 7:47 am ]
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Are you suggesting we actually have a midfield?

Author:	The Vet [ Mon May 22, 2006 7:52 am ]
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Navy Blue Horse wrote: Are you suggesting we actually have a midfield? Fair call. But it was supposed to be where we had some currency - Stevens, Scotland, Kouta, and Houlihan. Inject a few of the kids, AB, Simpson, Walker, Murphy, and I was of the view that we were likely to be on the improve, but it seems not so.

Author:	Rhys26 [ Mon May 22, 2006 8:03 am ]
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The Vet wrote: 1.Once they get a run on (call it three goals ), we do not know what to do. We do not man up, we do not look to take the momentum away from them. This must be the senior players job - Stevens, Koutafides, Scotland. Same thing happened against richmond in the 2nd and 3d quarters

Author:	Synbad [ Mon May 22, 2006 8:19 am ]
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Well the midfield isnt actually a midfield its a defence. If you actually watch whats going on they have all been played behind the ball... tagging or sweeping.... Houla, Carazzo, Walker, Simmo, Scotland... So how is it a midfield???? Of course you cant play positive football when you have ALL your numbers behind the ball... The bloke is killing us...

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Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon May 22, 2006 8:23 am ]
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Synbad wrote: Well the midfield isnt actually a midfield its a defence. If you actually watch whats going on they have all been played behind the ball... tagging or sweeping.... Houla, Carazzo, Walker, Simmo, Scotland... So how is it a midfield???? Of course you cant play positive football when you have ALL your numbers behind the ball... The bloke is killing us... No that not quite right He is not killing us We are already dead - he killed us off sometime back

Author:	The Tyrant [ Mon May 22, 2006 10:15 am ]
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WE NEED TO DRAFT MIDFIELDERS!!!!!!!!!

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Mon May 22, 2006 10:23 am ]
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The Tyrant wrote: WE NEED TO DRAFT MIDFIELDERS!!!!!!!!! SO WE CAN TURN THEM INTO DEFENDERS

Author:	nightcrawler [ Mon May 22, 2006 11:00 am ]
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Navy Blue Horse wrote: Are you suggesting we actually have a midfield? NBH, you should know better. Midfielders are just make-believe, like elves, gremlins and eskimos.

Author:	Sniff Wilson [ Mon May 22, 2006 11:03 am ]
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The sooner Kouta retires, the better off we will be....the only thing going for him in the last two weeks is that he has had a bit of agro...i'm worried that i am not going to look back in 5 years and remember the kouta who dominated the comp....i am worried i am going to look back and see the hapless kouta plodding around not really doing much for his millions. for the good of the club, kouta needs to retire, scotland who is the most unaccountable midfielder i have ever seen needs to be traded, and we need to develop support for houlihan and stevens. Murphy is trying his guts outbut for christs sake, he has played 8 games......what can we expect, he is not going to win us games. Nick Stevens-Take a look at yourself son.

Author:	jimmae [ Mon May 22, 2006 12:50 pm ]
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Kouta needs to retire and Carrots needs a run in the middle, that's a start. Bring in Russell to take over what Carrots is doing and to keep Walker on the HB. Ditto Bannister for McGrath unless McGrath brings back more of his run and carry that makes him an OK player. Lappin out of form/carrying an injury. Houla and Stevens copping a hard tag for the first time, our first real test and Scotland has been playing on the HB. Bentick needs to touch up his kicking again but that might just be confidence. Generally speaking everyone needs to either mind or completely outplay their opponent. Have I left anyone out?

Author:	The Tyrant [ Mon May 22, 2006 1:30 pm ]
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Bring in Jesse Smith and tell him to fire-up and get angry

Author:	jimmae [ Mon May 22, 2006 1:42 pm ]
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The Tyrant wrote: Bring in Jesse Smith and tell him to fire-up and get angry Worth a punt, but so is Jackson or Flint.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Mon May 22, 2006 1:47 pm ]
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We have a midfield?

Author:	CK95 [ Mon May 22, 2006 4:32 pm ]
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Wasn't my favorite opposition player by a long shot but I always thought Libba was a terrific competitor - tackled hard, never gave up, ran all day & managed to still play well when the Dogs got done. I was actually very pleased when we got him for those reasons. Something's gone way wrong because we just aren't seeing any hardness there. Melbourne have identified it & done something about itâ€¦ Also I was so sick of seeing Hayes sidestep his opponent the minute he got the ball. Happenned at least 3 times. Classy player Hayes but you would have thought we'd twig eventuallyâ€¦ We just seemed to be waiting for the ball yesterday. Wierd game.

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Author:	london blue [ Mon May 22, 2006 3:08 pm ]
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I say this from some distance, however would offer the following: Our midfield profile appears to be very similair to what we have always had and relied on building the 'empire' upon - in and under players with a mix of receivers (qtr backs). We had Bradley and Campo work very effectively with Diesel and Ratts. It was a successful strategy. Today we are developing Bentick and Blackwell (still relying on Kouta) to get the ball out....with Stevens and Houla to deliver it. That model is either outdated or is open to exploitation. To my mind the game has evolved. Midfielders today are allrounders and stand out as self sufficient footballers. Nick Del Santo is a great example of this type. Mark Ricuiitto (however you spell his name) another. Michael Voss was brilliant. Ball. Judd. Kouta at his exceptional peak was our proto type. No doubt Marc Murphy is a step in the right direction. Maybe Walks will be similiar. But we have some way to build a bunch of footballers who can play an all round game on their own. Sure you need a blend and nothing is perfect. But is seems we are still stuck in this mode of one type of player for a role. Sure our priority should be to recruit mid fielders, but lets get guys that are 'superhuman' and can do it all Actually fanciful, but not really a joke. We should throw all efforts at securing the best midfield footballers. Guys that aren't one dimensional. R.I.P Diesel and Braddles.

Author:	jimmae [ Mon May 22, 2006 3:32 pm ]
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It'd probably go well with a mix of all three london, so you can chop and change for the situation at hand. Your typical classy in and under has more to his game than just contested work anyway, Cross and West are good examples.

Author:	billy_bongo [ Mon May 22, 2006 3:45 pm ]
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london blue wrote: I say this from some distance, however would offer the following: Our midfield profile appears to be very similair to what we have always had and relied on building the 'empire' upon - in and under players with a mix of receivers (qtr backs). We had Bradley and Campo work very effectively with Diesel and Ratts. It was a successful strategy. Today we are developing Bentick and Blackwell (still relying on Kouta) to get the ball out....with Stevens and Houla to deliver it. That model is either outdated or is open to exploitation. To my mind the game has evolved. Midfielders today are allrounders and stand out as self sufficient footballers. Nick Del Santo is a great example of this type. Mark Ricuiitto (however you spell his name) another. Michael Voss was brilliant. Ball. Judd. Kouta at his exceptional peak was our proto type. No doubt Marc Murphy is a step in the right direction. Maybe Walks will be similiar. But we have some way to build a bunch of footballers who can play an all round game on their own. Sure you need a blend and nothing is perfect. But is seems we are still stuck in this mode of one type of player for a role. Sure our priority should be to recruit mid fielders, but lets get guys that are 'superhuman' and can do it all Actually fanciful, but not really a joke. We should throw all efforts at securing the best midfield footballers. Guys that aren't one dimensional. R.I.P Diesel and Braddles. Some good points, LB. Certainly seems to be the trend nowadays. Kouta wasn't just our prototype - he was everyone's protoype. We need a player that can do his bit in-and-under and still hurt the opposition when in space. We don't yet have this type of player altho as you stated, Murph and AW could be the answer in the future.

Author:	The Vet [ Mon May 22, 2006 5:38 pm ]
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CK95 wrote: We just seemed to be waiting for the ball yesterday. Wierd game. You are So right! Time and time again. I couldn't work out if was bad leading or bad kicking, it was just bizzare. And then almost everytime, they picked us off, inevitably leading to a goal.

Author:	BlueWorld [ Mon May 22, 2006 7:00 pm ]
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london blue wrote: I say this from some distance, however would offer the following: Our midfield profile appears to be very similair to what we have always had and relied on building the 'empire' upon - in and under players with a mix of receivers (qtr backs). We had Bradley and Campo work very effectively with Diesel and Ratts. It was a successful strategy. Today we are developing Bentick and Blackwell (still relying on Kouta) to get the ball out....with Stevens and Houla to deliver it. That model is either outdated or is open to exploitation. To my mind the game has evolved. Midfielders today are allrounders and stand out as self sufficient footballers. Nick Del Santo is a great example of this type. Mark Ricuiitto (however you spell his name) another. Michael Voss was brilliant. Ball. Judd. Kouta at his exceptional peak was our proto type. No doubt Marc Murphy is a step in the right direction. Maybe Walks will be similiar. But we have some way to build a bunch of footballers who can play an all round game on their own. Sure you need a blend and nothing is perfect. But is seems we are still stuck in this mode of one type of player for a role. Sure our priority should be to recruit mid fielders, but lets get guys that are 'superhuman' and can do it all Actually fanciful, but not really a joke. We should throw all efforts at securing the best midfield footballers. Guys that aren't one dimensional. R.I.P Diesel and Braddles. Stevens & Houla win a lot more contested/ hard ball than you think & a lot more than Bentick or Kouta.