TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Waite for Jarrads' knee...8 wks

However when coach Pagan heard of these developments - he barred JW from seeing the Bombers knee guru.

Equipment failure my a**. It's about time Victorian Clubs pooled their resouces and that includes medical resources and medico's.

Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources?

I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development.
It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment.

Why is that so difficult?

if true, promote flint

thegezman wrote:

if true, promote flint

NO!, leave Flint with Mitchell.

Blue Vain wrote:

Because then every aspiring surgeon will want to work in said department because they'll be paid through the nose.

Kinda like plastic surgeons in Hollywood, personal injury lawyers, etc. While footballers receive fantastic care, we suddenly start losing greedy, but highly skilled doctors and nurses.

There are existing (and adequate) health systems in place, insurance gives them a saving, maybe a CT or MRI might help but that's pretty much the line. Where are we going to get the money from though?

budzy wrote:

thegezman wrote:

if true, promote flint

NO!, leave Flint with Mitchell.

why? why note promote a kid to the seniors.

if they get a run ahead of a teague, prenda, chambers etc then it has to be a good thing.

are you worried about getting thrown to the wolves becasue we are playing poorly in the ones?

i dont think that makes sense to shield all of the kids and then play guys who obviously will not make the cut at seasons end.

sure you can't play ALL the kids but we haven't got much to loose by playing a few more if they are ready and deserved a spot on form

jimmae wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

That just doesn't make any sense at all. Good to see you are staying consistent though.

Heavs wrote:

jimmae wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

That just doesn't make any sense at all. Good to see you are staying consistent though.

This is nothing but provocation, either point out what you don't understand or why post at all? For a back slap? Happy to give you one if you want.

Now there's a question.

Well a pooled resource would be a private practise, and the doctors would probably be specialising in sports injuries. Given that there probably would be nothing like this currently in the country, it would probably become the pinacle of the sports medicine industry in this country.

There are virtually two reasons why you enter into such an area of medicine: love of sports, and (or) love of the money that flows like champagne in professional sports. So I liken the latter reasoning as why a hollywood doctor would specialise in plastic surgery, and why lawyers look for money see personal injury as a goldmine over in the US.

My beef with this is that in this case, we could lose skilled doctors and nurses chasing the extra cash for their expertise, whether that be through greed or need. If they are leaving the public sector then we're losing out on an already stretched system.

Aaaaaanywho, that's all hypothetical.

jimmae wrote:

Now there's a question.

Hang on - you're saying that there are currently no doctors who specialise in sports medicine?

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Thu May 25, 2006 11:53 am ]
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Not a great week for JW. He has damaged his Medial Collateral Ligament and is frustrated for more than one reason. Waite had to wait (pardon the pun again) for an assessment on his knee after club officials told him the specialist who deals with the Blues was away on a conference. Initially reported as a 3 week injury - it's far more serious and he is looking at a possibility of 8 weeks on the sidelines. The specialist was apparently due to return from the conference, but JW didn't want to delay things any more than they should have been and lined up an appointment with another specialist - who happens to be Essendon*'s specialist. However when coach Pagan heard of these developments - he barred JW from seeing the Bombers knee guru. The injury is not great timing for Waite either - due to move house this week and becoming increasingly frustrated at his injury prone career. No doubt he'll be of some use to young Paul Bower in the weight room as 'Alosi is a pretty similar size now as JW was when he first arrived at the club.

Author:	nightcrawler [ Thu May 25, 2006 12:15 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote: However when coach Pagan heard of these developments - he barred JW from seeing the Bombers knee guru. That is just nonsensical. Waite would have Dr - Patient privilege with the other specialist even if he is a specialist for the Dons. Ridiculous. Unless we have negotiated special rates with the Carlton doctor I suppose. But even then, if Waite was willing to pay himself to see the other Dr sooner, what is the fuss about?

Author:	molsey [ Thu May 25, 2006 12:17 pm ]
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Good to see he's focussed on the big issues, though?

Author:	jimmae [ Thu May 25, 2006 12:37 pm ]
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Yet an assessment has already been done?! The official word was there was an equipment failure, forcing him to wait half a day for a scan and resultantly overnight for results. So, which one is true?

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Thu May 25, 2006 12:41 pm ]
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Equipment failure my a**. It's about time Victorian Clubs pooled their resouces and that includes medical resources and medico's.

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Author:	jimmae [ Thu May 25, 2006 1:07 pm ]
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Dr.SHERRIN wrote: Equipment failure my a**. It's about time Victorian Clubs pooled their resouces and that includes medical resources and medico's. Excuse my while I go fork out for a CT Scanner and an MRI machine along with an OR. I'll let you go find out the prices.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Thu May 25, 2006 1:11 pm ]
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Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources? I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development. It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment. Why is that so difficult?

Author:	jimmae [ Thu May 25, 2006 1:25 pm ]
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Blue Vain wrote: Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources? I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development. It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment. Why is that so difficult? Because then every aspiring surgeon will want to work in said department because they'll be paid through the nose. Kinda like plastic surgeons in Hollywood, personal injury lawyers, etc. While footballers receive fantastic care, we suddenly start losing greedy, but highly skilled doctors and nurses. There are existing (and adequate) health systems in place, insurance gives them a saving, maybe a CT or MRI might help but that's pretty much the line. Where are we going to get the money from though?

Author:	thegezman [ Thu May 25, 2006 1:59 pm ]
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if true, promote flint

Author:	budzy [ Thu May 25, 2006 2:05 pm ]
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thegezman wrote: if true, promote flint NO!, leave Flint with Mitchell.

Author:	Dukes [ Thu May 25, 2006 2:33 pm ]
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And get Jackson in the Bullants seniors!

Author:	thegezman [ Thu May 25, 2006 4:03 pm ]
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budzy wrote: thegezman wrote: if true, promote flint NO!, leave Flint with Mitchell. why? why note promote a kid to the seniors. if they get a run ahead of a teague, prenda, chambers etc then it has to be a good thing. are you worried about getting thrown to the wolves becasue we are playing poorly in the ones? i dont think that makes sense to shield all of the kids and then play guys who obviously will not make the cut at seasons end. sure you can't play ALL the kids but we haven't got much to loose by playing a few more if they are ready and deserved a spot on form

Author:	Heavs [ Thu May 25, 2006 5:16 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources? I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development. It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment. Why is that so difficult? Because then every aspiring surgeon will want to work in said department because they'll be paid through the nose. Kinda like plastic surgeons in Hollywood, personal injury lawyers, etc. While footballers receive fantastic care, we suddenly start losing greedy, but highly skilled doctors and nurses. There are existing (and adequate) health systems in place, insurance gives them a saving, maybe a CT or MRI might help but that's pretty much the line. Where are we going to get the money from though? That just doesn't make any sense at all. Good to see you are staying consistent though.

Author:	TruBlueBrad [ Thu May 25, 2006 5:35 pm ]
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thegezman wrote: budzy wrote: thegezman wrote: if true, promote flint NO!, leave Flint with Mitchell. why? why note promote a kid to the seniors. if they get a run ahead of a teague, prenda, chambers etc then it has to be a good thing. are you worried about getting thrown to the wolves becasue we are playing poorly in the ones? i dont think that makes sense to shield all of the kids and then play guys who obviously will not make the cut at seasons end. sure you can't play ALL the kids but we haven't got much to loose by playing a few more if they are ready and deserved a spot on form I think he wants to shield him from Pagan and the 'development' in the seniors

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:53 am ]
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This is going well Jimmae.

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Author:	jimmae [ Thu May 25, 2006 5:38 pm ]
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Heavs wrote: jimmae wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources? I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development. It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment. Why is that so difficult? Because then every aspiring surgeon will want to work in said department because they'll be paid through the nose. Kinda like plastic surgeons in Hollywood, personal injury lawyers, etc. While footballers receive fantastic care, we suddenly start losing greedy, but highly skilled doctors and nurses. There are existing (and adequate) health systems in place, insurance gives them a saving, maybe a CT or MRI might help but that's pretty much the line. Where are we going to get the money from though? That just doesn't make any sense at all. Good to see you are staying consistent though. This is nothing but provocation, either point out what you don't understand or why post at all? For a back slap? Happy to give you one if you want.

Author:	Heavs [ Thu May 25, 2006 7:59 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: Heavs wrote: jimmae wrote: Blue Vain wrote: Didnt Dr Sherrin say "pool" their resources? I believe their is an MRI as part of the Western Oval development. It's about AFL clubs sharing their resources and pooling funds to purchase the relevant equipment. Why is that so difficult? Because then every aspiring surgeon will want to work in said department because they'll be paid through the nose. Kinda like plastic surgeons in Hollywood, personal injury lawyers, etc. While footballers receive fantastic care, we suddenly start losing greedy, but highly skilled doctors and nurses. There are existing (and adequate) health systems in place, insurance gives them a saving, maybe a CT or MRI might help but that's pretty much the line. Where are we going to get the money from though? That just doesn't make any sense at all. Good to see you are staying consistent though. This is nothing but provocation, either point out what you don't understand or why post at all? For a back slap? Happy to give you one if you want. Please explain the link between an AFL pooled medical centre with a dedicated staff of specialists working out of one location and doctors and lawyers getting greedy and charging through the nose. You've just made shit up to boost your post count.

Author:	jimmae [ Thu May 25, 2006 10:47 pm ]
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Now there's a question. Well a pooled resource would be a private practise, and the doctors would probably be specialising in sports injuries. Given that there probably would be nothing like this currently in the country, it would probably become the pinacle of the sports medicine industry in this country. There are virtually two reasons why you enter into such an area of medicine: love of sports, and (or) love of the money that flows like champagne in professional sports. So I liken the latter reasoning as why a hollywood doctor would specialise in plastic surgery, and why lawyers look for money see personal injury as a goldmine over in the US. My beef with this is that in this case, we could lose skilled doctors and nurses chasing the extra cash for their expertise, whether that be through greed or need. If they are leaving the public sector then we're losing out on an already stretched system. Aaaaaanywho, that's all hypothetical.

Author:	Heavs [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:30 am ]
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jimmae wrote: Now there's a question. Well a pooled resource would be a private practise, and the doctors would probably be specialising in sports injuries. Given that there probably would be nothing like this currently in the country, it would probably become the pinacle of the sports medicine industry in this country. There are virtually two reasons why you enter into such an area of medicine: love of sports, and (or) love of the money that flows like champagne in professional sports. So I liken the latter reasoning as why a hollywood doctor would specialise in plastic surgery, and why lawyers look for money see personal injury as a goldmine over in the US. My beef with this is that in this case, we could lose skilled doctors and nurses chasing the extra cash for their expertise, whether that be through greed or need. If they are leaving the public sector then we're losing out on an already stretched system. Aaaaaanywho, that's all hypothetical. Hang on - you're saying that there are currently no doctors who specialise in sports medicine?

Author:	jimmae [ Fri May 26, 2006 12:46 pm ]
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Heavs wrote: jimmae wrote: Now there's a question. Well a pooled resource would be a private practise, and the doctors would probably be specialising in sports injuries. Given that there probably would be nothing like this currently in the country, it would probably become the pinacle of the sports medicine industry in this country. There are virtually two reasons why you enter into such an area of medicine: love of sports, and (or) love of the money that flows like champagne in professional sports. So I liken the latter reasoning as why a hollywood doctor would specialise in plastic surgery, and why lawyers look for money see personal injury as a goldmine over in the US. My beef with this is that in this case, we could lose skilled doctors and nurses chasing the extra cash for their expertise, whether that be through greed or need. If they are leaving the public sector then we're losing out on an already stretched system. Aaaaaanywho, that's all hypothetical. Hang on - you're saying that there are currently no doctors who specialise in sports medicine? I'm saying the entire medical industry is stretched so if we're losing doctors to some sort of club center, we could lose from private practise, which is bad, or we could lose out from our hospitals. You think that sports doctors who regularly treat a particular club see no other patients who plays sport just for fun? That's a far fetched point. Deano, why are you even here. Round of applause for Deano, +1.