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| Author: | BrizzyBlue [ Fri May 26, 2006 2:14 am ] |
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After a week of damage control by the club that has got the doubters saying we have our own mutual admiration society, it is refreshing to see Big John come out and really support Denis and the current Board. Tell me this is contrived! 
http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/ ... 42,00.html |
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| Author: | blueslander [ Fri May 26, 2006 3:32 am ] |
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This is contrived... 
Nothing spells trouble more than a million people coming out and saying that there is no trouble. The more people that back the coach in public the worse I think it looks for the guy. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Fri May 26, 2006 7:06 am ] |
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About bloody time some serious things were said about the culture within the club which lead to the deterioration of the list.... "They didn't do the proper planning after winning the premiership in 1995. I blame the administration and coaching staff in 1995, '96, '97 for the lack of planning," he said. "We had a few players nearly finished, but they wouldn't blood new players. "That's where our big mistakes were made in administration, coaching and planning. Elliott, the match committee and David Parkin were all responsible for not planning." Thank you for telling it like it is, John |
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| Author: | The Duke [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:22 am ] |
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Good on ya big fella - still a champion at 66. This is all I've been trying to say for 3 years, yet when Nick says it, it sounds so much more profound  .
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:32 am ] |
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Lets see if we can piece all this together now Kouta says Brittain better than Pagan Smorgan backs Pagan Pagan says Fev should be a leader Stevens then backs Pagan Fev backs Pagan Pagan backs Kouta and Stevens Big Nick comes out and backs Pagan and blames a three time premiership coach of Carlton for our current problems Fev thinks big Nick is a silly old fool and should just shut up (well thats what he said last year) All this and we are broke and getting belted nearly every week I think their on the wacky tobaccy down there at the moment |
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| Author: | molsey [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:40 am ] |
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Sydney I take offence at that - regardless of your views of Pagan, a blind turkey could see that Parkin for all of his strengths failed to even attempt to replenish the list in the late 1990's. maybe it was direction of Elliott, but draft pick after draft pick was handed away for other turkeys which seriously undermined any ability we had to have a solid leadership group outside of those young guns we actually had in 1995. Many people's questions over Pagan is what he's done to the list since it hit rock bottom in 2002/2003, but I doubt many deny we were shot when he took over. Its a timely reminder from Big Nick we've been stuffed for a while. |
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| Author: | uncle john [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:41 am ] |
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The Great Man speaks Great Words !!!! He's just stating the obvious ..... BUT ... Now it's OBVIOUS!!! Good on ya Big Nick. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Fri May 26, 2006 8:45 am ] |
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Sandra Sully backs Pagan... It doesnt matter who backs Pagan if the players have had enough... This is a ridiculous attmpt by the board of damage control Its not us they need to convince by placing all the stories... its the players. And sydney Blue.. Big Nick is right.. Pagan copped it because of the sins of others... But he still has to go.. |
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| Author: | The Duke [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:02 am ] |
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Synbad wrote: Sandra Sully backs Pagan...
It doesnt matter who backs Pagan if the players have had enough... This is a ridiculous attmpt by the board of damage control Its not us they need to convince by placing all the stories... its the players. And sydney Blue.. Big Nick is right.. Pagan copped it because of the sins of others... But he still has to go.. = Witch Hunt |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:07 am ] |
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The Duke wrote: Synbad wrote: Sandra Sully backs Pagan... It doesnt matter who backs Pagan if the players have had enough... This is a ridiculous attmpt by the board of damage control Its not us they need to convince by placing all the stories... its the players. And sydney Blue.. Big Nick is right.. Pagan copped it because of the sins of others... But he still has to go.. = Witch Hunt Why is it a witch hunt exactly????? The only reason we have had 27 people come out to back Pagan is he is under the pump .... But i dont need to be convinced the players do... theyre the ones coming out with the performances they are by not playing for him. I dont have to play for Pagan..I pay money to watch people not play for him... So explain your logic |
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| Author: | 2ndeffort [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:14 am ] |
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Big Nick, still a champ!!! Couldnt have said it better myself Nick. Even at 66 this bloke is still a great leader. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:23 am ] |
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molsey wrote: Sydney I take offence at that - regardless of your views of Pagan, a blind turkey could see that Parkin for all of his strengths failed to even attempt to replenish the list in the late 1990's. maybe it was direction of Elliott, but draft pick after draft pick was handed away for other turkeys which seriously undermined any ability we had to have a solid leadership group outside of those young guns we actually had in 1995.
Many people's questions over Pagan is what he's done to the list since it hit rock bottom in 2002/2003, but I doubt many deny we were shot when he took over. Its a timely reminder from Big Nick we've been stuffed for a while. sorry if I offended you Molsey but you have your opinion and I have mine . Most of our plight and Pagans at the moment is his own doing IMHO . And if last weekend insipid pathetic performance isn't enough to justify it I dont know what is . You cant blame elliott and particually Parkin for players not shepparding players not hitting their targets players not knowing what to do. Almost 7 years after Parkin left the club. Good coaches get the best out of what they have got . Pagan is not a good coach and thats why we are seeing the worst out of what he has . The sooner this is realised and he is given the boot the better off the club will be . I am sick and tired of people making excuses for theis pathetic excuse for a coach I'm offended by the tripe this club dishes up every week |
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| Author: | molsey [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:25 am ] |
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No worries - offended was the wrong word, more like surprised. We're talking 2 different points. Nichollsm and me, recognise that Carlton was rooted back in 2002. My issues are how slow our real advancement has been - the tripe you talk about. I know you love your Carlton legends Sydney but with parkin's strengths came weaknesses that even he has come to acknowledge. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:27 am ] |
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molsey wrote: No worries - offended was the wrong word, more like surprised.
We're talking 2 different points. Nichollsm and me, recognise that Carlton was rooted back in 2002. My issues are how slow our real advancement has been - the tripe you talk about. I know you love your Carlton legends Sydney but with parkin's strengths came weaknesses that even he has come to acknowledge. I think Parkin is one of the many in the media that is making excuses for Pagan. |
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| Author: | The Duke [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:39 am ] |
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Synbad wrote: The Duke wrote: Synbad wrote: Sandra Sully backs Pagan... It doesnt matter who backs Pagan if the players have had enough... This is a ridiculous attmpt by the board of damage control Its not us they need to convince by placing all the stories... its the players. And sydney Blue.. Big Nick is right.. Pagan copped it because of the sins of others... But he still has to go.. = Witch Hunt Why is it a witch hunt exactly????? The only reason we have had 27 people come out to back Pagan is he is under the pump .... But i dont need to be convinced the players do... theyre the ones coming out with the performances they are by not playing for him. I dont have to play for Pagan..I pay money to watch people not play for him... So explain your logic witch hunt noun 1. The hunting down and persecution of an innocent individual or number of individuals, for alleged political or other types of heresy, or behaviour considered dangerous to society, etc. Should I go on?? These players.....give us names. If those names include Teague, Prenda, Bannister, Davies, Sporne or any other who aren't good enough to make it into a wooden spoon side, then your argument is shot to pieces. OF COURSE THEIR UNHAPPY!! Sheeeeeesh, Losing is no fun, but losing knowing you're gonna get the sack is down right stressful. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:46 am ] |
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Its also nice to know that Big nick thinks that are most successful side (often dubbed the greatest ever) were lucky in 95 because everyone else was shit according to Big Nick. Nice one Big Nick I wonder what Sticks and co have got to say about that. What did Fev say last year 
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| Author: | bondiblue [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:48 am ] |
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Hey Sydney, your collage of inferences don't paint a pretty picture, but nonetheless pretty entertaining; albeit misleading. Kouta didn't say that Brittain is a better coach than Pagan. He said that Brittain was one of the biggest influences. How's that? 7 years of Brittain (during his peak years)and 3 with Pagan (whilst he was on the sidelines with knee injury). Kouta makes no comparison, you do. Fev doesn't necassarily 'think' (present) Nick's a silly old fool, he may have thought (past) it. Past tense and taken out of context. In reality we were broke before this board and coach were selected, and due to the size of the grandstand debt, nobody, but a white night could erase that one over night. We are not getting belted every week. We beat Melbourne by 5 goals, competitive against the Dockers, Swans, Tigers and Hawks, and only two weeks ago we beat Essendon*. Got belted in half a game against Woods and St Kilda. I didn't expect much more with our list. Synbad reckons its a ridiculous attempt of damage control. That's his opinion, not necassarily the truth. The damage had been done a long time ago, and the pain of it lingers. The reasons for the damage has been once again highlighted for those who are looking for scapegoats, and have short memories. The reference to Elliot and Parkin from a Carlton great who have never muttered a bad word off the field, was to set the record straight. Parkin agrees. Blaming the current board and Pagan for our present situation is fanciful. As for a plan for the club, yes I'm waiting for that too, but I guess there is a dependency on the AFL to address the support they are prepared to give before we set a plan. We have to wait for that. Not that I am patient, but because I realise that the ball is the AFL's court, then I have to be patient before the big picture unfolds. If the big picture/plan doesn't impress me, I will certainly express my displeasure then, but there's no sense in being negative about the lack of a plan until that happens. Goodonya Big Nick. |
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| Author: | woof [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:06 am ] |
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THE BLAME GAME NEEDS TO STOP. Yes the problems we currently face can be attributed to many people some former and some current. PUT YOUR HAND UP AND SAY I WILL FIX IT OR MOVE ON AND FIND SOMEONE ELSE WHO CAN DO IT. NO MORE EXCUSES FOR ON AND OFF FEILD PERFORMANCES. |
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| Author: | Wet Willie [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:07 am ] |
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Eeeeekkk!! Common Sense Alert!! Bondi, don't you realise that we are pathetic tragics who endlessly criticise the club behind our anonymous user names? We prefer to do this without any real knowledge, or notion of doing anything positive to assist... Are you lost?? |
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| Author: | bmaurizio [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:33 am ] |
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Bondiblue the best analysis of the situation yet. It took our disastrous situation for big Nick to put the record straight. Pagan and the current admin are managing best they can given the pitiful predicament and crap that's flying about the place. Let's stop the parochial sarcasm and criticism of Pagan and admin, it is of no use, we must support our mighty club and be as positive as possible. The AFL will support the CFC in every way possible, make no mistake. It will take some time as any assistance is political very sensitive, It may take the all of this year. We 'll be back stronger that ever, Up the Mighty Blues Ciao |
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