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| Author: | 7dominator [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:21 pm ] |
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This has been a constant bug-bear of mine but it is clear we have none! People could do themselves a favour and when watching the replay have a look at how we handle kick-ins or frees/marks on the last line. Today 80% of time we kicked short to the right pocket.Then the majority of time due to lack of options we panicked and turned the ball over. On the odd occasion when we kick left it was inevitably followed up by a kick back to the right pocket where a turnover ultimately occured as per our usual style. Is there anyone prepared to move quickly both to kick-in or provide a deep option? We seem bereft of anybody who has the ability to spot a long kick from defence! |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:31 pm ] |
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We are bereft of nearly anybody who can spot anybody by foot. Teague was particularly effective in that department today - taking the ball from the half backline he couldn't even kick it to a 50/50 contest rather preferring to bypass that 50% bet for the surety of a kicking the ball about 10 metres to the right of that contest directly to Andrew McLeod. 
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:34 pm ] |
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I'd like to see us kicking to an uncontested option about 25 - 30 m out and running it out and up the wing. Run and carry forces the opposition to come at you, releasing more players and if you can't find a clean option to kick to in the forward line, @#$%&! it. Run in and kick a goal. 
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| Author: | Bosustow [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:44 pm ] |
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..yeah, I've been thinking about this too after today's game. Why is Dennis always using mid-fielders to kick in? The last couple of years it's been Campo, Stevens, Scotland...Today Scotland stuffed a few up, that was a few goals to the opposition..Why doesn't he use a long kicking tall - like Bryan - to kick in those plays? Too often the kick-ins go to flooded flanks, or move too slow and go to flanks that flood or to short plays. Why not get a long kicker to piff it out to open spaces where it still has to be contested 50-70 metres out, and either take longer (but further out) , or runs into forward plays? |
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| Author: | bluechampion [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:51 pm ] |
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We use midfielders primarily to free up tall players to provide a marking option. In theory, anyways... |
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| Author: | Navy One [ Sat May 27, 2006 8:54 pm ] |
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Not so much Kick in strategy but Kicking strategy. It's f#@& in woeful. |
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| Author: | fullmont101 [ Sat May 27, 2006 9:10 pm ] |
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The kick in wouldn't be as bad as what it is if we had a bit of confidence in our big men to take a grab outside 50 OR we could hit a target more than 15mtrs away. Today the crows let us go that short chip to the pocket and then they played man on man and we had nothing to go to. Then we kick it 20mtrs away to a player on a good lead, but they just pop it up and make it a 50/50 or just turn it over. Kick down the line to a 50/50, atleast it is out of the danger area if there is a turnover and the chance of a ball up if we dont take the mark. I lost count how many goals were kicked with turnovers today. |
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| Author: | preacher [ Sun May 28, 2006 11:02 pm ] |
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It's a great observation and one tha the players have raised with DP. In the offseason we didn't practice any set plays around kick ins or how to defend against them. You are spot on Bozustow. We haven't moved with the times. It's not rocket science after all. We still insist on waiting for a 'designated' kicker to come back and take he kick ins. Why? By the time Scotland or Stevens marches back to the goal square, we have lost vial seconds. The opposition by this ime have covered any danger. We should move with the times. Whoever is closest to the ball takes the kick in regardless. Al Pacino in "Any Given Sunday' talked about Gridiron being a game of inches. Well, AFL footy is today a game about 'seconds'. You wait for Scotland or Stevens to jog back and pick up the ball and you waste vital seconds. Seconds that into today's football make all the difference. |
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| Author: | Crusader [ Sun May 28, 2006 11:46 pm ] |
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I challenge anyone to show me a player (other than Fev) in our team who can kick a 55-metre drop-punt in general play. The players knoe this and there-in lies the confidence problem. They don't believe in their skills enough. |
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| Author: | Ponkstar [ Mon May 29, 2006 2:08 am ] |
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Crusader wrote: I challenge anyone to show me a player (other than Fev) in our team who can kick a 55-metre drop-punt in general play.
The players knoe this and there-in lies the confidence problem. They don't believe in their skills enough. His name is Chris Bryan. I have been privately scoffing at those who have been playing the "play Bryan" card, because he's done nothing to justify a spot in the team frankly. However, his kick-ins alone may be with a mint to us in terms of fast breaks and clearances from the danger zone. Just imagine, from the kick-in, Bryan spots a sprinting Walker just shy of the wing, hits him on the chest, walker sets off and Fev is waiting one-on-one because the opposition hasn't had a chance to flood back. It's worth thinking about. If you played Bryan at full back too he would have the muscle to take on the muscly, tall forwards like Everitt, Thompson, Gehrig etc who fling Livo and Saddington around like rag-dolls. Who knows? It might fail, but jeez, what's to lose? |
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| Author: | blueslander [ Mon May 29, 2006 8:02 am ] |
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I think Bryan should be the second player in the chain. I think he could accept the ball in the pocket and kick it way over the center circle to a contested ball on the half forward flank. That way we have runners running towards the contest. We are pretty good in the contest our skills just let us down, we have to just force the ball forward on every occassion. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:17 pm ] |
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Bump 23 points kicked against us 3 or 4 out of bounds on the full the ball made it from these stopages 2-3 times into our forwards 50 What is going on with our kick ins we are bloody terrible at them , teams seem to Zone off us and wait for a turn over on the wing . If we had beaten brisbane at 26 stoppages we would be singing the praises . We were handed the ball 26 of 27 times and did nothing with it. Training Watches do we practice kick ins and does the practice resemble whats being played out on the week ends |
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| Author: | AGRO [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:21 pm ] |
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Step 1. Kick in to back pocket. Step 2. Look for next option (there arent any). Step 3. Kick back to full back look for next option (there arent any). Step 4. Kick to back pocket - look for next option (there arent any). Step 5. Kick in hope down to halfback/wing - (turn over results) Step 6. Full Back watches ball sail over head. 
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:37 pm ] |
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This is, I find, the single most frustrating thing about our play at the moment. Sides launch from full back. We stall. |
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| Author: | blueblood95 [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:02 pm ] |
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Again this shortcoming directly relates to the coaching department. I believe that some of Pagan's ideas (or lack of them) are apparent in our stoppages and set pieces. the playing group often seem confused at stoppages. This is mainly due to bad coaching. If you look at Adelaide or West Coast they run the ball out of defence in numbers. We just try and pick out short options with a severe lack of skill. There seems to be no running support for the HB line and less support for the FB line. In todays game if you dont work in numbers you will turn the ball over. Pagan has not dealt with this issue, hence we lose week in week out. No wonder why confident and talented kids loose faith in their abilities. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:03 pm ] |
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AGRO wrote: Step 1. Kick in to back pocket.
Step 2. Look for next option (there arent any). Step 3. Kick back to full back look for next option (there arent any). Step 4. Kick to back pocket - look for next option (there arent any). Step 5. Kick in hope down to halfback/wing - (turn over results) Step 6. Full Back watches ball sail over head. Thats a very accurate description there AGRO 
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:07 pm ] |
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yep extremely frustrating but for mine it gets even worse when one of our so called 'expereince' players gets the ball for the kick in. If its Whits or lappin or stevo I shudder knowing it will be exactly as Agro has described it. Hopefully this summer they will rejig this using the kids and moving the @#$%&! ball fast! Oh to go all the way even just once a month I'd be happy! 
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| Author: | jimmae [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:23 pm ] |
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I thought we were quick to get the ball back into play, and most of the time the nearest player got duties. Brisbane made the next kick a doozy though, we needed players working hard to create space in their 'wall' for an option to present or we needed guys to draw players with some carry. |
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| Author: | dannyboy [ Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:45 pm ] |
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well I'm glad that's what you think 
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| Author: | Pickle [ Tue Jul 04, 2006 9:26 am ] |
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Nothing will change until we have new coaches………but don't expect that anytime soon…..because according to DP………"it's not the coaches, it's the players"…..was said at the end of 2003, 2005 and I'll put my house on it being said at the end of this year. |
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