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whats right with that ?
Hey Synbad as your avatar doesn't clearly show, I think your tongue is firmly placed in your cheek.
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| Author: | mizrachi [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Tragic Trading/Drafting History (especially recent History) |
Saw this on TBV and thought it was worth bringing it to everyones attention. http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-index. ... =The+Draft Who are our recruiting staff and why are they still employed ????? Comments please..... |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Tragic Trading/Drafting History (especially recent Histo |
mizrachi wrote: Saw this on TBV and thought it was worth bringing it to everyones attention.
http://www.blueseum.org/cfc/tiki-index. ... =The+Draft Who are our recruiting staff and why are they still employed ????? Comments please..... Whats wrong with that?????? |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:43 pm ] |
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As you run thru that extensive list you realise that we probably struck gold before last year's draft, only about 10% of the time since the inception of the draft. The recruiting staff headed were shafted a couple of years ago and replaced by a guy who has no idea in Wayne Hughes. It would be safe to say that DP has been calling the recruiting shots since he has been at the club. Not good running thru that list - SHITE! |
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| Author: | mizrachi [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:44 pm ] |
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whats right with that ? |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:45 pm ] |
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Quote: whats right with that ?
Hey Synbad as your avatar doesn't clearly show, I think your tongue is firmly placed in your cheek.
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| Author: | budzy [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:46 pm ] |
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lmao I'm loving this thread already... 
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| Author: | Mrs Caz [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:47 pm ] |
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DownUnderChick wrote: The recruiting staff headed were shafted a couple of years ago and replaced by a guy who has no idea in Wayne Hughes.
What do you base that on????? |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:48 pm ] |
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http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=280325 I know when this guy is fit, he would be a enormous asset to us, but geez has he even played 22 games since being traded to St Kilda? The curse of the 5 year contract strikes again! |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:52 pm ] |
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Dont mind me, I'll just stand back here and watch this one. 
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 1:56 pm ] |
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Quote: What do you base that on?????
Mrs Caz my apologies  , I have just discovered that Hughes started in 2004, so Gallagher is the culprit in conjunction with DP.
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| Author: | billc3 [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:16 pm ] |
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Sorry to do this.... BUR... Didn't we have Adam Matthews (Ben's brother) on the list for about 87 years so we could pay for his shoulder reconstructions??? Can't find him there or when (how) we recruited him...maybe we traded for him? |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:22 pm ] |
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DownUnderChick wrote: Quote: What do you base that on????? Mrs Caz my apologies , I have just discovered that Hughes started in 2004, so Gallagher is the culprit in conjunction with DP.Guess again!! |
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| Author: | Megaman [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:22 pm ] |
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cool thread
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| Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:23 pm ] |
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I wouldn't want to try to defend our recruiting policies pre 2002 but since then I think we've done remarkably well. The first two drafts we had limited picks due to the penalties but still managed to pick up Simpson, Fisher and Walker. Should we have taken so many retreads? Maybe not but look at where the picks are and look at who else was still available in those drafts. The main reason some of those guys made it onto our list was because we had spaces that had to be filled that were created by retiring players and others who didn't have a future at Carlton. 2002 National Draft Pick 45 Kade Simpson Eastern U18 U18 VMFL Pick 60 Cameron Croad Oakleigh U18 U18 VMFL Pick 72 Brad Fisher Eastern U18 U18 VMFL Pick 79 Karl Norman Wangaratta Rovers VCFL Pick 84 Mick Martyn Kangaroos AFL 2003 National Draft Pick 2 Andrew Walker Bendigo U18 U18 VCFL Pick 57 Ricky Mott Fremantle Rookies Pick 63 Glen Bowyer Hawthorn AFL Pick 69 Jordan Bannister Essendon* AFL Pick 72 Adrian De Luca Port Melbourne VFL Pick 75 Stephen Kenna Box Hill Hawks VFL Pick 78 Pick 80 The following two drafts we've drafted as well as anyone might have hoped considering our picks. 2004 National Draft Pick 9 Jordan Russell West Adelaide SANFL Pick 25 Adam Hartlett West Adelaide SANFL Pick 41 Luke Blackwell Swan Districts WAFL Pick 73 Chris Bryan Frankston VFL Pick 77 Anthony Raso Dandenong Stingrays U18 2005 National Draft Pick 1 Marc Murphy Oakleigh Chargers U18 Pick 4 Josh Kennedy East Fremantle WAFL Pick 20 Paul Bower Peel Thunder WAFL Pick 36 Jake Edwards Western Jets U18 2005 in particular looks like the best draft we've ever had. We got the best small, the best tall and two handy guys who (at this early stage) look like they'll play a lot of games between them. I've marked those I think have a long term career in front of them in bold. No idea on Raso at this stage as I haven't seen him and he's still young. Very pleased they took a punt with an underage player with a late pick though. Over the last two years that's 7 and possibly 8 long term players out of 9 picks. Throw in Rookie's such as Bentick, Thornton and Carrazzo and Eddie Betts and Nick Stevens in the Pre-season and we're doing extremely well. Anyone suggesting that's not good recruiting has very little idea about the odds involved in picking players. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:24 pm ] |
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DownUnderChick wrote: Quote: What do you base that on????? Mrs Caz my apologies , I have just discovered that Hughes started in 2004, so Gallagher is the culprit in conjunction with DP.You mean OSullivan... Shane O is a better talent spotter than he has been given credit for.. his problem is he allowed himself to be bullied by the powers to be... I dont think Hughes gets pushed around as easily... |
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| Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:24 pm ] |
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DownUnderChick wrote: Quote: What do you base that on????? Mrs Caz my apologies , I have just discovered that Hughes started in 2004, so Gallagher is the culprit in conjunction with DP.One more thing... Was that David Gallagher, Adrian Gallagher or Shane "Gallagher" O'Sullivan? |
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| Author: | Effes [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:32 pm ] |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:41 pm ] |
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Quote: Was that David Gallagher, Adrian Gallagher or Shane "Gallagher" O'Sullivan?
Maybe I should stay away from this thread GWS because I have another oopsie daisie
Shane O'Sullivan is the man! |
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| Author: | mizrachi [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:43 pm ] |
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As the topic states GWS, we are talking about trades AS WELL AS drafts. The two go hand in hand and are BOTH the responsibility of our recruiting department. So if you factor in the trades post 2002 into your calculations, you'll see just how bad it's been. |
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:51 pm ] |
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The old mid season draft wasnt so bad was it....David Glascott at pick 35.... Ruck recruiting hasnt been a strong point as far as far as our drafting goes...we have not had that many attempts and drafted poorly when we did....got the wrong " Smart" as well...Doug and Sam any relation to Nigel? I think Wayne Hughes has been ok so far.....if you are going to make mistakes ie Chambers, Saddington etc then make them with rnd 5+ picks etc |
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