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| Author: | Marissa [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:21 pm ] |
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In my opinion, is amoungst the most underated players in the AFL. 17 out of the 19 games so far this year Scotland has picked up between 24 and 33 disposals. Coming 4th on leading disposals in the AFL and 2nd in kicks. Carlton may be sitting 16th on the ladder and have had a dismal year, but Scotland has had a fantastic year for Carlton and I hope that he is considered for captaincy next year. Good work Scotland, good to see you working your butt off, no matter what the score board looks like. |
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| Author: | Beantown [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:31 pm ] |
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Marissa wrote: In my opinion, is amoungst the most underated players in the AFL.
17 out of the 19 games so far this year Scotland has picked up between 24 and 33 disposals. Coming 4th on leading disposals in the AFL and 2nd in kicks. Carlton may be sitting 16th on the ladder and have had a dismal year, but Scotland has had a fantastic year for Carlton and I hope that he is considered for captaincy next year. Good work Scotland, good to see you working your butt off, no matter what the score board looks like. Yep agreed, he must be giving the B&F a fair shake. |
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| Author: | hulkamania [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:42 pm ] |
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Totally Disagrre, is picking up his kicks as cheaply as the Bowden Boys at Richmond, not manning up at all, and has done this all year, just look at Crawfs game on the w/e until someone like houla actually manned up on him in the latter half of the game. |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:49 pm ] |
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I believe that Scotland is in the top 5 in the AFL for clangers (along with Houlihan and Walker). Although agree that he has really stepped up this year. If we start considering players who have one year of decent form and one year of good behaviour as potential captaincy material, I'll eat my membership. There is only one player on our list who has the credentials to replace Kouta. |
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| Author: | magic [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:51 pm ] |
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Although he has been getting a lot of the ball, the way we have been playing (going sideways and backwards) really makes the stat count useless. I still think Scotland has had an outstanding year but needs to work on his accountability and making sure when he gets the ball he can find a long target. This is not always his fault as there is no one leading up the ground and we are forced to go back and sideways which causes a lot of turn overs, but sometimes when there is a long target on he still goes sideways. |
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| Author: | The Tyrant [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:04 pm ] |
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yeah... can't say I like him myself.... agree on the cheap kicks and errors.... and VERY unaccountable. Has done ok in the last few weeks, but he'll never be my favourite player |
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| Author: | Effes [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:48 pm ] |
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He is trying to be creative - something we lack in defence (and all over the park) |
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| Author: | DocSherrin III [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:01 pm ] |
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...rated by other clubs as much as you? Let's hope so! ...tradeable? I'll take pick 81 for him. ...overrated? You bet! ...appearing in the Magistrates Court again? Yes, but his lawyer will be making the point that his client has changed his ways and has recently been elevated to the 'leadership group' by his employer...and that should suffice for them to dismiss the charges. |
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| Author: | bluehammer [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:11 pm ] |
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Getting the most out of his ability, but I don't think we should kid ourselves. When does a most underrated player become a least overrated player by the way? Just a side thought... |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:14 pm ] |
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While I agree that his possession count is not a real indication of his form, his form has been pretty good. Top 5 for clangers when you're top 3 or 4 for disposals isn't so bad. |
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| Author: | BlueWorld [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:25 pm ] |
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Sigfried wrote: I believe that Scotland is in the top 5 in the AFL for clangers (along with Houlihan and Walker). Although agree that he has really stepped up this year.
The more possessions you have the more clangers you get, so unless you go through the percentages as I did a few weeks ago, you'll see it's not as bad as it seems. |
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| Author: | Wojee [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:28 pm ] |
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Do clangers = direct turnovers to the opposition or are they also muffed kicks and wayward handballs? |
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| Author: | Nick [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:36 pm ] |
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I like him for some reason, always have ever since he first came to the club 
The thing with him though is that he doesn't panick like most of our team, even deep in defence so when the players in the defensive half are all handballing to each other ring-a-rosy style and Scotland gets the ball, I feel much better and comfortable to see the ball in his hands, which I guess is a good thing? |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:38 pm ] |
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Wojee wrote: Do clangers = direct turnovers to the opposition or are they also muffed kicks and wayward handballs?
"Blatant unforced errors resulting in turnovers to the opposition, including OOF." From memory, I think that's the definition. Clangers on their own are meaningless, like many stats. If you're trying to be creative with your kicking to release players, are slightly off and the ball is intercepted, that goes down as a clanger if you're not being tackled. I don't really like them beyond how they contribute to scores in SuperCoach. Mistakes would be (or should be) looked at individually as intent and committment may be in line for praise, plus silly running by the receiving player may come into play, etc. |
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| Author: | Ponkstar [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:45 pm ] |
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He is a risk taker and that is one of the reasons why when we play well he is often the driving force and when we get smashed he is often left looking very guilty. He has been far batter in the past 8 weeks or so playing as a rebounding half back than when he played in the centre. For a guy who was such an excellent user of the ball when he came to us, it's very interesting to see how his skills, like those of Stevens, seem to have gone backwards at Carlton. |
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| Author: | Wojee [ Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:48 pm ] |
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Thanks. Who decided that "clanger" was the term to use anyway? Scotland is consistent, and while he may make mistakes with his disposal he's far from alone in the team on that score. I know many people hate the way he will run in circles sometimes, but that shows to me that he doesn't panic when under pressure and still looks for a viable option rather than offloading the ball like a hot potato. He'll never be a star or matchwinner but he's one of the more reliably servicable players on our list. |
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| Author: | club29 [ Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:44 am ] |
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Won a few good contests on the weekend and is playing with a lot more confidence than most of the team. Going way better than Stevens. When he lined up for goal in the last qtr i actually felt confident he would kick it. Rare feeling. Shouldnt be bagged. |
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| Author: | kernafides [ Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:03 am ] |
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And despite what the papers say I'm positive that in fact Houla started on Crawford and not Scotland...they may have then rotated but Houla was definitely on him early. |
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| Author: | Dukes [ Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:47 am ] |
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Ponkstar wrote: He is a risk taker and that is one of the reasons why when we play well he is often the driving force and when we get smashed he is often left looking very guilty.
He has been far batter in the past 8 weeks or so playing as a rebounding half back than when he played in the centre. For a guy who was such an excellent user of the ball when he came to us, it's very interesting to see how his skills, like those of Stevens, seem to have gone backwards at Carlton. Or maybe we didn't see them every week at these other clubs and had no idea about their efficiency levels, etc. Also, maybe they actually had people presenting up the wing most of the time rather than our guys earlier in the year having nothing to kick to and therefore having to take a risk and manufacture a forward option - often short and often inboard. Our proven players seem to get all the criticism while the duds who can't get the ball or even man up on their opponents are spared. Bring on 2007. |
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| Author: | 2ndeffort [ Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:57 am ] |
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They say that every team needs its star players and its honest footsoldiers. I reckon Scotland is one of those footsoldiers but because of our lack of depth and talent he is being judged as a star. If he was at St Kilda with Ball, Hayes, Harvey etc to fill the star spots everyone would be raving about him as a quiet achiever etc. Like his composure and love how he has turned his game around from periods last year. Probably the one shining light out of the 'retread experiment'. |
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