Pick 18 (the messiah) is still in the bag.
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:55 pm ] |
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i'm still watching the replay but what were the main positives? |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:56 pm ] |
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Pick 18 (the messiah) is still in the bag.
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| Author: | BrizzyBlue [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 4:57 pm ] |
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The PP is still intact. |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:05 pm ] |
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no injuries?? |
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| Author: | Jeremias Pablo [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:12 pm ] |
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how did Smith play on debut? Always a positive to blood another youngster, but did he play well? Did his game today warrant selection for next week? How many possessions did he get? |
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| Author: | bluechampion [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:18 pm ] |
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Smith hardly got on the ground and hardly got any touches. He's really small... He should get a game next week, because he was still better than our no. 1 Midfielder. Wiggins was great, as was Walker. Actually, Whitnall was okay... Our 'W' players did well. Fev was manhandled all game and triple-teamed, but did well when he got the ball. Fish ran himself into the ground, but simply has to improve his kicking. When we're good, we're electric. But that's not too often. Eddie was busy. Houlihan had his moments. Setanta played well, as did Thornton. Richo is a goose and the Umpires love him. But still a disappointing end result - and can be put down to the 40 minutes of football after our fourth goal. |
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| Author: | true_blue3 [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:20 pm ] |
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Jeremias Pablo wrote: how did Smith play on debut?
Always a positive to blood another youngster, but did he play well? Did his game today warrant selection for next week? How many possessions did he get? 2 kicks, 3 handballs, 1 mark and 1 tackle. i havent seen the game yet so i dont know exactly how he played but judging by those stats i'd say he had a quiet game. |
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| Author: | Wet Willie [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:44 pm ] |
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Another positive: For a player of his height and size, Waite couldn't possibly get any less effective... |
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| Author: | Taff [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:49 pm ] |
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The Irishman! He has the odd clanger but he has a real dip. Gotta love him. |
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| Author: | Effes [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:51 pm ] |
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Thought Bannister had a good game Otherwise........... 
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| Author: | Chips [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:55 pm ] |
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Wet Willie wrote: Another positive:
For a player of his height and size, Waite couldn't possibly get any less effective... Package him up with pick 17 and see what we can get 
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| Author: | BlueWorld [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:56 pm ] |
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Jeremias Pablo wrote: how did Smith play on debut?
Always a positive to blood another youngster, but did he play well? Did his game today warrant selection for next week? How many possessions did he get? Barely saw him. Spent most of the game on the bench. (surprise, surprise). 
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| Author: | Wet Willie [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 5:57 pm ] |
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Just don't show the video footage of his shot on goal with 3 minutes remaining...grrr!! |
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| Author: | Wojee [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:01 pm ] |
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I had company and didn't watch the game. |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:05 pm ] |
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- The usual suspects (Fev, Walker, Whitnall, Simpson, Carrazzo, T-Bird, Scotland, Houla) - Lappin continuing his improved form - Fisher making better use of his mobility to provide a link in midfield again - French playing a genuinely good game - Waite not always over-committing, or getting the way of the true KPP, and playing a smarter looking game as a result - Kouta playing a smarter game when it came to accounting for an opponent - Carlos did pretty well on Schulz, and not bad on Stafford considering he plays more like he's 193 cms than 199. Tries to do more than he's capable of (such as zoning off Schulz) but it's the only way he'll learn I guess. Very solid defender if left to lock down on his man first and foremost. - Smith looked good when he was in the play, probably more of an all-round midfielder than Bentick and may pave the way for another midfielder to be off-loaded, which may set us up for an awkward situation come draft day NEXT year. - Bryan looking better with his disposal but really needs to hit the jogging track and lose some weight, and/or change his diet. Bryan + Mobility = exciting player. - Wiggins' flexibility in being able to play as a marking option and a link man goes well, can see him being spotted up on the forward half of the wing along with Fisher in the coming years if they both maintain form. - Cory & Stevens covered a lot of territory and certainly tried hard, McGrath still does his best work across the HB and Stevens needs a rest. So positives all round if you look hard enough, but some serious work needs to be done on presenting to team mates when they have the ball (that's pretty much exclusively directed at the smalls), it doesn't happen outside the forward line. Another negative (not really the thread for it but I think I've earned a little slack after all the positives) would be a lack of awareness by those running forward in their meek attempts to present (namely the aforementioned smalls) to pick between themselves a couple of guys to sit back in case of a turnover. Too many times a forward thrust would go awry (like a 17 year old on a steamy Saturday night in summer - gogo-gadget-alliteration) and the sheer number of our guys over-committing to the play would leave us completely exposed and incapable of defending against Richmond playing on the counter-attack. I suppose you could apply the same in terms of defending kickouts, which is a shambles compared to how we approach our own kickouts. Unless they decided to rest Stevens or start Bryan on his pre-season training, anyone dropped would feel a little hard done by. Overly safe coaching by Denis today, which I can understand if he's under directive to protect younger players. |
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| Author: | Effes [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:06 pm ] |
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Jimmae it seemed we fumbled around with it going forward because we had no one to kick to. Our forward line structure at times was very poor. It seems when another team floods we have no plan B. |
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| Author: | phoenix johnson [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:12 pm ] |
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Setanta's game was exceptional. Just wait until he learns how to kick properly on the run. He'll be a 6'6 Aussie Jones. I thought Thornton had a solid game today on Richo. BOG for mine was Banno. Loved his run and attack off the half back flank. Simmo was Simmo. Loves to tuck the ball under his arm and run does Simmo. |
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| Author: | Blues2005 [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:23 pm ] |
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I thought Setanta did some good things, also made some mistakes but I don't really care if he makes mistakes as he will learn. One thing that impressed me though was one of his runs down the wing, where he actually had the ability to sum up the situation at full pace and deliver like a centreing kick from about 60m from goal into our forward line, which was marked and we got a goal from it. He could easily have blazed away and probably stuffed up but when I saw Setanta centre the ball running at full pace I thought that he was starting to actually understand the game. Keep it up Setanta! |
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| Author: | jimmae [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 6:35 pm ] |
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Effes wrote: Jimmae it seemed we fumbled around with it going forward because we had no one to kick to. Our forward line structure at times was very poor. It seems when another team floods we have no plan B.
I reckon it was definitely over-crowded at times. We have a glut of tall forwards, so they need to work how to co-exist, push outside the 50, or bugger off. Fisher is playing very well as a very tall winger, kicking still needs work though. Wiggins is doing something similar, Waite was trying but needs to do it more IMO, but probably should be playing as a roaming CHF at the present time. Fev NEEDS some space. As for the flood, we seem to stop with the run and carry about half-way up the wing, then look to chip as our smalls all bolt to HF and stop. Should be the other way around most of the time, a kick to release a runner who's pushed up along the wing, they then run and carry, forcing someone to close in on them, then options should present. I know it's a fairly simplistic way of looking at it, but you look at the running goals from guys like Simpson, Scotland, Kouta, Bannister, and the one today that should have been from Walker, they're about running with the ball after a releasing kick. So instead of short chip, run, run, run, run SHIT SHIT SHIT HANDBALL, maybe shortish kick, run (other players run into space to present - herein lies the tactics I can't be bothered with), kick, then run the ball into HF. Good lead to kick to? Yes/No If no - run in and peg it from 35-40. Maybe next year throw Lance and Kennedy up on the HF together. One forces packs and spills, the other is clever in creating space, ala the Hamill/Whitnall combination in the 'glory' days. That way all the idiots standing around at HF after bolting up the corridor to get there might have a real role to play. Anyway, enough from me, I have no credence to be talking about footy, I know nothing. |
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| Author: | Marissa [ Sun Aug 20, 2006 7:07 pm ] |
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phoenix johnson wrote: I thought Thornton had a solid game today on Richo. I agree PJ! I actually felt sorry for T-bird, because he worked his butt off, but got no help or support from his team mates. Setanta was great, loved seeing try so hard. |
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