BRENDAN Fevola would like to see Michael Gardiner in a Carlton jumper.

"I’d be pumped," he said of the prospect of playing with the fallen Eagle. "I just think he’s got a lot to offer and I think we’re one ruckman short."

"Denis will be there, so we don’t have to worry about that."

You’re sure about that, Brendan? "Yeah, positive. He’s got two years to go and in two years’ time, we’ll be going really well, so they’ll obviously re-sign him. He’s got his knockers, but you just wait and see in the next couple of years."

I just thought, at the time, it might have been a good opportunity to get out and start fresh. Denis said he didn’t see the same view . . . and he said, ‘The club’s going places’, and really encouraged me, said about how everything’s going to be bright and I agree with him. Then there was no way I was going to go.

As coaching murmurings continue to shroud the Blues after a likely third wooden spoon in four years, Fevola said Pagan's detractors will "eat humble pie".

"He's here obviously for another two years and I hope they re-sign him again," Fevola said.

"They say Denis is no good as a coach and whatever, but you wouldn't see the growth of the young kids.

"You've just to look at the performance of the young kids.

"All the players respect him so much.

Plenty of juicy stuff in this one confirms again that Pago Pago not only hasn't lost the players as some posters keep alluding; but in fact is here to stay and will continue to develop the kids into a competitive TEAM.

You guys be the judge!

Agree... Fev's hardly likely to pot Pagan when he's auditioning for captain

wouldn't read too much into those comments

"He sort of went through a few things about me. He said I wasn't a good mark and stuff. He told me a few things I should do. I went away from it, I took a lot out of it. What he said was on the money, everything what he said. I was pretty blown away from it all."

Yes. I much prefer the 2nd or 3rd hand accounts allegedly from current players who are not getting a game and are about to be delisted. At least they aren't biased like Fev.

Please explain?!

Which I'd be happy to accept if everyone did so. Accepting that we aren't able to draw any reasonable conclusions about the player/coach relationships seems reasonable to me. But the reality is that the agenda will be to discredit Fev's comments, but accept as gospel the whispers from unreliable sources. The unshakeable assertions that Pagan has lost the players again will not be tempered in the least, no matter how unreliable or biased the source. At least we know that Fev's comments actually were made.

I'm looking at the age now, when I first saw the pic on the front page of the sports section, I thought it was Karl Norman.

Good read..

they're both biased sources

all sources are biased.