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Is a clanger an unforced error, or does stuff that happens under pressure count as well?

They should grade the clangers like
Missing a shot from 20 metres in front should be worth 10 points
Kicking the ball to the opposition from full back 8 points
Turning the ball over when kicking to the 3 on 1 maybe 1 point

and also have coaching clangers

Failing to use the bench 10 points
Using a guy who is capable of 70 goals a year to plug a hole in the back line 10 points
Drafting Ricky mott 20 points
Using cliches in press conferences 50 points

All I know is that passing to Eddie Betts when manned up is not a clanger, but should be.

Wait a sec. Stevens and Carrazzo are too low on that list. You sure the figures are right??!!! :shock:

Don't get Fev's....he's a very accurate kick...even if scoring points are counted as clangers....if not ...he doesn't pass much so how does he turn it over???

Juts not sure about this stat...

the rest is excellent....rmove anyone who has had less than 100 possies and the list looks right....not what many want to complain about but pretty correct non the less

ps...it's O'hAilpin

Author:	BlueWorld [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:33 pm ]
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Player Clangers Disposals % Kennedy 17 52 32.7 Bryan 14 43 32.6 Fevola 55 266 20.7 Waite 34 168 20.2 Teague 13 67 19.4 O'halpin 19 101 18.8 De Luca 22 124 17.7 Russell 13 77 16.9 Kouta 58 341 17 McGrath 40 243 16.5 Walker 62 382 16.2 French 26 169 15.3 Fisher 23 163 14.1 Murphy 33 234 14.1 Whitnall 54 414 13 Lappin 50 387 12.9 Bentick 42 336 12.5 Betts 27 228 11.8 Sporn 10 86 11.6 Stevens 54 467 11.6 Simpson 47 421 11.2 McLaren 11 99 11.1 Scotland 66 598 11 Wiggins 24 224 10.7 Houlihan 50 467 10.7 Thornton 38 360 10.6 Carrazzo 40 379 10.6 Blackwell 13 146 8.9 Bannister 13 158 8.2

Author:	molsey [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:39 pm ]
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Good work BW. Interesting to see so many of our top possession winners at the lower end (eg Stevens, Carrazzo, Houlihan) of the clangers count. Is there a way we can compare our list overall to say a Top 4 team?

Author:	Keyser Soze [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:42 pm ]
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Interesting, but a bit like free kicks. It's not how many it's where they happen and what the result is. I'd love to know how many of our clangers resulted directly in opposition goals during the year. I'm guessing plenty.

Author:	marciblue [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:43 pm ]
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Wait a sec. Stevens and Carrazzo are too low on that list. You sure the figures are right??!!!

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:55 pm ]
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They should grade the clangers like Missing a shot from 20 metres in front should be worth 10 points Kicking the ball to the opposition from full back 8 points Turning the ball over when kicking to the 3 on 1 maybe 1 point and also have coaching clangers Failing to use the bench 10 points Using a guy who is capable of 70 goals a year to plug a hole in the back line 10 points Drafting Ricky mott 20 points Using cliches in press conferences 50 points this is fun the list could be endless

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Author:	Deano Supremo [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:59 pm ]
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Is a clanger an unforced error, or does stuff that happens under pressure count as well?

Author:	Jarusa [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:01 pm ]
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Deano Supremo wrote: Is a clanger an unforced error, or does stuff that happens under pressure count as well? A clanger is halfway between a clinger and a hanger.

Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:04 pm ]
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The numbers do tell a story, and maybe not the whole story, but at the very least they are seriously important statistics to consider. Thanks for those Blue World. Great effort. Firstly, I would like to apologise to Carrazzo, Stevens, Houlihan, Wiggins and Bentick, as I thought that their clanger count would have been higher. Well done and keep up the good work. Scotland, Simpson and Murphy didn't surprise me how low their clangers were despite the high number of disposals they accumulated. They were great this year. Kennedy, Russell and O'hAlpin will look at these and do something about it, no doubt; I think Kennedy was a bit stage fright, and brand new to the business, and Setanta is new to the game, but came good at the end; as would have Kennedy. Russell just needs a few more full games. Bryan didn't surprise me, as his strength (kicking) let him down a lot. DeLuca and McGrath didn't surprise me either. But I'm really disappointed in Kouta though. Although I did take note of his all too numerous clangers, I didn't think a fifth of them were; disappointing. Waite's % surpised me a little and find his results also disappointing. He's got the world at his feet, represented Australia at 22 and now he has to do something about switching the brain on 100 minutes and concentrate on execution; I beleive its a brain is faster than the feet situation. Maybe playstation using his toes might fix that up. Whatever it is, he must tidy up that statistic.

Author:	yibbida [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:06 pm ]
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waits for the "Trade Kennedy" posts

Author:	molsey [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:06 pm ]
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All I know is that passing to Eddie Betts when manned up is not a clanger, but should be.

Author:	bondiblue [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:07 pm ]
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Sydney Blue wrote Quote: They should grade the clangers like Missing a shot from 20 metres in front should be worth 10 points Kicking the ball to the opposition from full back 8 points Turning the ball over when kicking to the 3 on 1 maybe 1 point and also have coaching clangers Failing to use the bench 10 points Using a guy who is capable of 70 goals a year to plug a hole in the back line 10 points Drafting Ricky mott 20 points Using cliches in press conferences 50 points Bloody oath Blue world should. Gees, I can't believe how much I've been agreeing with you lately Sydney. It must be the crypto in our water supply.

Author:	AGRO [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:09 pm ]
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molsey wrote: All I know is that passing to Eddie Betts when manned up is not a clanger, but should be. C'mon Molsey he was the go to man when Fevola was chasing the Full Back up the ground.

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:47 pm ]
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Can we get some AFL averages as comparisons?

Author:	camel [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:10 pm ]
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Then we need to find out who ate all the apple turnovers!

Author:	nightcrawler [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:25 pm ]
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Isn't it a completely meaningless statistic without context? For example: Simmo kicks out from fullback with a long beautiful left-foot kick that finds McGrath on the half-back flank. Mcgrath doesn't play on. He goes back and assesses his options and after using his full 30 seconds still can't make up his mind so he chips it 15 metres sideways to Walker, registering an effective disposal in the process. Walker takes his man on and tries to create some play, but because Mcgrath dicked around for so long, the opposition has completely flooded back. Walker is left with option of kicking to a 3 on 1, or attempting an ambigous kick to try and find Fevola on the lead. He chooses the latter option, but it doesn't come off because the opposition ruckman drops back in front and chops it off. Walker registers the turn over and the clanger. Whose fault is it really that we turned the ball over?

Author:	molsey [ Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:21 am ]
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Am not sure why BW should hjave to do any more work! One complicating factor is the number of 15-30 metre sideways or slightly forward kicks. In the modern game they can evidence a flood up ahead and doing these kicks, although completed, does nothing to overcome the flood unless part of a ring-a-rosy kickathon like the Swans (which we cant do due to skill level). Id suggest its impossible for us to break out the real clangers without clear definitions and some of us going through the games.

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Author:	billc3 [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:26 pm ]
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Don't get Fev's....he's a very accurate kick...even if scoring points are counted as clangers....if not ...he doesn't pass much so how does he turn it over??? Juts not sure about this stat... the rest is excellent....rmove anyone who has had less than 100 possies and the list looks right....not what many want to complain about but pretty correct non the less ps...it's O'hAilpin

Author:	Abaddon [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 9:54 pm ]
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marciblue wrote: Wait a sec. Stevens and Carrazzo are too low on that list. You sure the figures are right??!!! and Walker too low. surely he is #1

Author:	Wojee [ Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:57 pm ]
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Any word on the hummer count?

Author:	verbs [ Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:27 am ]
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billc3 wrote: Don't get Fev's....he's a very accurate kick...even if scoring points are counted as clangers....if not ...he doesn't pass much so how does he turn it over??? Juts not sure about this stat... the rest is excellent....rmove anyone who has had less than 100 possies and the list looks right....not what many want to complain about but pretty correct non the less ps...it's O'hAilpin Clangers aren't just bad kicks. It could be tripping over, running into things, losing your keys, dyslexia, tourette's, dropping your glass etc.