With trade week fast approaching and after the rabble we have witnessed in the past couple of weeks the upcoming week (Trade week) and then the draft is Carltons and more importantly Denis Pagans opportunity to show every Carlton member and potential member out there we are a strong club.

We need to play hard ball with Thornton and get the best possible trade out of it FOR THE CARLTON FOOTBALL CLUB! We need to show we will not be put to ransom by a player and that we can get a trade out of it that makes it look like we have come out on top of this fecade.

Further we need to take every pick we have into the Draft and pick up young talented footballers and promote every single one of them. I remember when Richmond drafted Deledio Tambling etc... The fuss that Wallace made that he had the best two players (might not be true now) and further had picked up another couple inside the 30. He then had that 'party' to show off his new talent which was broadcasted across the news and just displayed the Tigers in such a positive light and promoted the fact they were drafting youth and were bloody proud of what they have.

We need to display this kind of strength! For Gods sake! We have 3 picks inside the 20 and are expected to get atleast 1 more! THIS IS EXTREMELY POSITIVE! Then we have a guy called Mac Murphy last years number one pick...a guy called ANdrew Walker a number two pick etc.... Now after the draft the club has to come out and display the talent we have! Go through the numbers...1) A Walker 2) J. Russel 3) M.Murphy 4) B.Gibbs 5) J.Kennedy 6) K.SImpson 7) Pick 17 Our Captain (like it or not...i dont want this to be but it seems likely) and i guess we stop there...but look at that..there are 8 players that the club can be proud to call there own!

Now get off your ass Carlton and prove to us once and for all we want to be back on top! PLAY HARD BALL and soon we shall reap the rewards we so desperatly deserve!

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Loooook OUT!

If what is being said here doesnt happen, then we need to make sure that Fraser Brown has a new board that is ready to challenge, or else the rot will take hold.

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My Blue Heaven

Im just realy looking for some pro active media involvement from the club in general. The article in the HUN, while appearing extremely staged, was a nice start.....

it will come....

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Back like a raging case of pubic lice

The media doesnt give you a business plan.

Youre looking athe hole in the donut not the whole of the donut.

Ostrich stuff...

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True Synbad but the general supporter in the street relies info from the papers or from others and all we can do is to keep putting positives out in the press. I know the press is giving us a hard time and rightly so for our incompetencies but there are many swinging supporters out there and we need to balance it in our favor.

They have lost control and they have to go.
If you want the club to go forward you have to tell that to every Carlton supporter you know.

Their bullshit in the paper is only buying them time to sink the club further.

It was a bullshit article because the rest of the board didnt even know it was being created and it was only created not so the club can go forward but so some people can short circuit a situation to save their own arse.

In actual fact it stuck another knife into this club.

It was another act of treachery against each and every one of us that support this club.

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I agree we need change at the top end but will it happen??? If it doesn't happen what do we do? whinge, complain and turn the average supporter in the street against the club? We can not afford to do this.

What we cant afford is more of this stupidity where were going backwards and everyone else is going forwards.

Like i said we should know more in a week or so.

stay tuned.

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Mighty Bluues wrote



That's where the on field stuff supports the off field stuff. EXTREMELY POSITIVE!!

Now we need to get the off field part of the club sorted, so they can support the on field stuff!

Bring on the details of a business plan that will take the Blues out of the red and into the Blue ink.

Blue 4 ever wrote



But all this bitterness, rivalry and factionalism within the club has got to end. Now! There's money out there, but it isn't forthcoming for the current board. We need to get out of the red, emancipated from the AFL, and not just 'cash neutral' in 2 years time. Lets get the reason for this lack of input of money into the club out in the open, and give members an option with the details presented, so we go into the 2007 season as a new, young vibrant TEAM with a future of Blue Skies.

If it can happen quickly, all the better, and if whoever is leading the charge in the meantime, can secure the PP we lost in 2002, and we land Leuengerger and Gibbs, then bring it on. It can only mean Blue Skies.

May the best board win.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

Forget the PP, Gibbs, Thornton etc.

What's happening at the moment is far more important than any of those things. They're all symptoms rather than the root cause.

It's time for change.

Now.

We're running around arguing over deck chairs at the moment. I'm not one of those who's blatantly anti-Pagan (I've been accused of being pro-Pagan enough times to realise that's not the case) but he must go. Even if Pagan was to turn into the greatest coach in the history of world sport overnight it's not going to work now with this group because of their history with him. That's unfortunate but sometimes change is important for change's sake rather than for exactly what it brings.

The board has to go because they're incompetent. Again, I've given them plenty of time to prove otherwise but sadly it just hasn't happened.

One of the things that always gets overlooked in situations like ours is that this board was always going to have a tough time. When Jack left so did 20 years of old boys networking and contacts. This board was formed to get rid of Jack and not much else. There was no overarching vision and there still isn't. It's time for us to thank them for removing the tumour but also to ask them to politely step aside because for now it appears the best they can do is struggle to keep us in a holding pattern. Whilst we struggle other clubs are making rapid progress.

If a ticket is to be formed the time to do so is sooner rather than later and due to the overriding need for change I'm happy to sign to spill the board almost regardless of who is behind the move.

Will the next CFC board succeed? Impossible to tell. What is clear at the moment however is that this one is not succeeding and they're losing ground almost daily.

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Turkish Proverb

It's Time.

What GWS writes is correct. The Thornton issue worried me, but not because of the particular player, but how it reflects on our club.

We used to be famous for players never leaving, and in today's environment, when players such as Jonathon Brown stay for half the money they could earn elsewhere, Thornton's departure is even more damning.

The current board is a rabble, and the staged 'unity' smacks of "Methinks they doth protest too much". Yes, what I'm writing could be interprted as being too subjective, but does anyone seriously believe the incumbent board really knows what it's doing?

It's great to write positive rhetoric, but it doesn't solve the massive problems our club is facing, and nor does it begin to restore the successful culture we once took for granted.

No more am I going to be satisfied with honourable losses, as that shows our supporters' culture is changing too. If the current board and administration remain, we are headed for a Wooden Spoon hat-trick and more ridicule.

No more papering over the cracks with sycophantic journalists.

Enough is enough.

It's Time.

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

Yeah partly because we paid half their salaries in brown paper bags and were several mill over the salary cap when winning a wiooden spoon. MAybe the culture of ask for anything and get it still exists and will cost us players.

LOL - Mostly because we used to hand out brown paper bags and look where that got us.

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It was in reference to a lot longer period than that: the '70's and the '80's. Our club was renowned for player loyalty.

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

True Jack, but we were a power side then without any interstate sides. We had money, we could recruit freely from interstate, there was no salary cap and most importantly there were no player managers and the mindset was less about how much money can I screw out of the club and more about being part of the team. We have the worst side in history and it has been the worst in the League for 4 of the last 5 years, we have a leadership vacuum partly because we drafted so dismally in the mid late 90s and have few players in the 25-28 bracket. I'm not sure what we do about a leadership vacuum except develop young players and hope they have the strength of character to ride the tough times in order to achieve good times. Jon Brown is a great loyal guy. He is also at a club that has won 3 flags and played 4 gfs in the past 6 years. Thats an incentive for him. We are starting from a dismal player base and need to build it. Anyone who reckons it's too hard or that they are too good to put up with the tough times can go so long as we get the better of the deal, or stop them getting where they want. I wish we had a few more players with the character of a Voss or a Grant (Chris that is).

There are plenty of other examples of players staying at their clubs, despite the lure of significant dollars elsewhere. Nick Dal Santo is another recent high-profile example.

The point is Thornton didn't leave because of money.

There's a bigger picture at play here, of which Thornton's departure is a symptom.

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"The old believe everything, the middle-aged suspect everything, and the young know everything." Oscar Wilde

But we still offered Thornton everything he wanted financially yet he still didn't want to stay.

OOOHHHH the WWWOOOEEEE

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GWS you put it so straight and simple. I agree

Straight after the trade week EGM to clear the air before the draft and PSD. I want to see the detail in any groups' plan and hope there's at least one to get us the finance we need to fast track this opportunity we have.

Then go for the PP, and any other changes that need to be made in readiness for a big preseason, and launch into a new era starting 2007.

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You can rule out Frazer Brown i would say. He has recieved death threats and has a guard out the front of his home 24-7 as of about a week ago.

He isn't afraid for himself, but more for his family.

To be honest and fair, i can't say for sure if this has to do with what's going on at Carlton. It might have something to do with his buisness dealings.

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