Siegfried wrote:
Interesting how Pagan keeps going on about how we have the youngest list int he competition, and how many pre-seasons our boys are behind the league leaders, like Sydney.
myth buster
Now I have nothing to hang my hat on....
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| Author: | JS74 [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:12 pm ] |
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Here is a breakdown of age of our current list. Age as of 01 Apr 2007( Start of 2007 Season ). 23 YEARS OF AGE AND YOUNGER: Raso 19 Edwardes 19 Bower 19 Murphy 19 Kennedy 19 Flynt 19 Jackson 19 Betts 20 Harlett 20 Walker 20 Russell 20 Blackwell 20 Bentick 21 A O Hailpin 21 Simpson 22 Fisher 22 Thornton 23 Carrazzo 23 Davies 23 24-27 YEARS OF AGE: McClaren 24 S O Hailpin 24 Deluca 24 Waite 24 Bannister 24 Wiggins 24 Bryan 25 Teague 25 Houlihan 25 Fevola 26 Scotland 26 Whitnall 27 Saddington 27 Stevens 27 28 YEARS OF AGE AND OLDER: Lappin 31 Koutoufides 32 Very young list and definately the youngest in the league. Looking at the list I definatley think our youth is as good as most sides going around, but where we full away is the middle tear (24-27 age bracket). Apart from Stevens, Scotland, Fev & Whitnall there isn't much there. I cannot see improvement coming from the other 24-27 age bracket players which unfortunately puts alot of pressure on the younger guys to fasten then development. This is where the good sides have an advantage over the botton sides. Poor recruiting and the trading away of draft picks in the late nineties and early 00 is the cause of this and obviously the draft penalties of 2002/03 just further deepend the woes. Having said that I think there is light at the end of the tunnel and I am confident that we are definately on the right track now. The delistings to date have been spot on with no surprises there. GO BLUES!!! |
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| Author: | Rambo Stallone [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:35 pm ] |
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One More To Go Possibly Chris Bryan, as his 2 his is up and only played a handfull of games. I don't think there will be much more or any after 1 delisted ,2 would be definite. Kouta,Lappin,Hartlett,Saddington,Deluca,Davies,Teague,Raso,Mclaren and Bannister will be on the next list for next year unless they have a great year |
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| Author: | SA Blue [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 4:38 pm ] |
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The 24-27 does not make for good reading! This is why I think we are still a fair way of being really competitive (top 4) as you need your best players in this category. The scary thing is our 23 and younger category is largely bottom aged. Great for the long term future, but short term is a different story. Hope I am wrong though! |
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| Author: | DownUnderChick [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:15 pm ] |
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Quote: 24-27 YEARS OF AGE:
McClaren 24 S O Hailpin 24 Deluca 24 Waite 24 Bannister 24 Wiggins 24 Bryan 25 Teague 25 Houlihan 25 Fevola 26 Scotland 26 Whitnall 27 Saddington 27 Stevens 27 Teague, Saddington, Deluca, Bryan and McLaren IMO drag this list down. The rest are a combination of superstars, talented or show strong potential. |
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| Author: | bluey95 [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 5:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kouta - 32? |
I thought Kouta was 33 this year? |
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| Author: | dane [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 7:26 pm ] |
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i think our list will start to be good looking in a couple of years.... maybe we are on the way? maybe that is also blind optimisim.... |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Breakdown |
SPILIJ wrote: Very young list and definately the youngest in the league.
Not quite... This makes for some interesting reading. Here are the ages of lists in the competition, from the youngest, as at 30 March 2006, including rookies... Hawthorn - 22 years 151 days Sydney - 22 years 207 days (yep, frightening) Carlton - 22 years 260 days Geelong - 22 years 298 days Essendon* - 22 years 305 days Richmond - 22 years 313 days Collingwood - 22 years 349 days West Coast - 23 years 71 days Port - 23 years 119 days North - 23 years 134 days Dogs - 23 years 138 days Melbourne - 23 years 141 days Fremantle - 23 years 202 days St Kilda - 23 years 231 days Adelaide - 23 years 343 days Brisbane - 23 years 343 days (will come down considerably next year) So ours isn't the youngest in the league, and we are a fair way behind Sydney (although our delistings will bring our average age down). Interesting how Pagan keeps going on about how we have the youngest list int he competition, and how many pre-seasons our boys are behind the league leaders, like Sydney. |
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| Author: | bigyellowjoint [ Tue Oct 24, 2006 9:56 pm ] |
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Setanta, 24. Gee time flies a wee bit quickly. A little pressure would be on him this year. A good amount of improvement needs to be shown. Then again, over the last 4 years he has to be one of the most improved players in the competition. |
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| Author: | malbi [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:08 am ] |
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Rambo Stallone wrote: One More To Go Possibly Chris Bryan, as his 2 his is up and only played a handfull of games. I don't think there will be much more or any after 1 delisted ,2 would be definite. I'd agree on one more. To me Davies would be the best candidate as he has been given enough time. Bryan we need for the ruck as we have next to nothing especially if we are looking to offload Deluca and McLaren the following year. One of them has to work. The other choice for delisting would be Saddington if his injuries are career threatening. Rambo Stallone wrote: Kouta,Lappin,Hartlett,Saddington,Deluca,Davies,Teague,Raso,Mclaren and Bannister will be on the next list for next year unless they have a great year
I somehow believe that one or two from this list will last beyond next year... |
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| Author: | Rambo Stallone [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:17 am ] |
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malleefowl wrote: Rambo Stallone wrote: One More To Go Possibly Chris Bryan, as his 2 his is up and only played a handfull of games. I don't think there will be much more or any after 1 delisted ,2 would be definite. I'd agree on one more. To me Davies would be the best candidate as he has been given enough time. Bryan we need for the ruck as we have next to nothing especially if we are looking to offload Deluca and McLaren the following year. One of them has to work. The other choice for delisting would be Saddington if his injuries are career threatening. Rambo Stallone wrote: Kouta,Lappin,Hartlett,Saddington,Deluca,Davies,Teague,Raso,Mclaren and Bannister will be on the next list for next year unless they have a great year I somehow believe that one or two from this list will last beyond next year... I really can't see him staying,he is to short as a ruckmen,the only reason i think Davies would be kept is because he missed the whole season,Ratten must have a little influence as a coach,he would think he may turn him around as he is only 23 and Davies has played some good games,not a lot but he has,but some people forget,because he misses easy goals. Deluca and Mclaren will do most of the ruck this year with any guy drafted who has played and possibly Ohalipin,Saddington and maybe another tall will have a go. |
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| Author: | Kaptain Kouta [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Breakdown |
Siegfried wrote: So ours isn't the youngest in the league, and we are a fair way behind Sydney (although our delistings will bring our average age down). Interesting how Pagan keeps going on about how we have the youngest list int he competition, and how many pre-seasons our boys are behind the league leaders, like Sydney.
How does our list compare to Sydney's in terms of age/games played? Sydney may have a younger list in raw terms, but they are in the enviable position of being able to cosset their youngest players for quite some time before dropping them in the deep fryer. |
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| Author: | Stefchook [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 1:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Breakdown |
Kaptain Kouta wrote: Sydney may have a younger list in raw terms, but they are in the enviable position of being able to cosset their youngest players for quite some time before dropping them in the deep fryer.
They also have about 10 rookies on their list (I think), which helps to bring the average age down on the list. |
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| Author: | The Vet [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Breakdown |
Siegfried wrote: Interesting how Pagan keeps going on about how we have the youngest list int he competition, and how many pre-seasons our boys are behind the league leaders, like Sydney.
myth buster
Now I have nothing to hang my hat on....
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:25 am ] |
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Sydney are allowed to have 9 rookie list players, that is why their average is so low. |
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| Author: | mjonc [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:59 am ] |
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It's not how old you are, it's how many games you have played at the highest level that counts. Come 2007, we would have to be least experienced easily. |
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| Author: | BlueWorld [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:27 am ] |
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We have 8 players with 100+ games (including Saddington). Sydney have 13. |
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| Author: | Siegfried [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 12:12 pm ] |
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Yep, fair point re Sydney's NINE (unbelievable) rookies and games played. So, here goes... Average games played per club as at 30 March 2006 (before this season): Hawthorn 50 Carlton 52 Geelong 55 Sydney 58 Richmond 60 Port 63 Essendon* 64 North 64 West Coast 65 Fremantle 66 Melbourne 68 Dogs 68 Collingwood 70 St Kilda 70 Adelaide 72 Brisbane 72 (strange, they have exactly the same average age too. Again, Brisbane's will drop loads for next year) Will be interesting to compare the movements of both Carlton and Hawthorn over the next 5 years. |
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| Author: | jenx [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 4:40 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: List Breakdown |
Siegfried wrote: SPILIJ wrote: Sydney - 22 years 207 days (yep, frightening) Something to do with fact the Swans have 8 rookie listed players vs 4-5 for most other clubs, of course bringing their average age down quite considerably |
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| Author: | Stefchook [ Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:01 pm ] |
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For the third time! 
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