TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Those part of the SOLUTION and those part of the PROBLEM...

It is looking ever more likely that Carlton are heading for the bottom 4 come the end of season 2005.

Denis Pagan is now into his third season at Carlton and having not only seen the full extent of Carlton's woes, he has also had enough time to see which players will make the cut in AFL.

Make no mistake, Carlton at the moment have a list with many holes in it. As supporters we have seen that our list is thin on the skill talent stakes, has a real problem with on field leadership and do not possess a team with enough strong hard bodies in it.

Come seasons end, some bold decisions need to be made by the MC. Many questions need to be raised on the depth of our list and whether we simply have a team with enough star players in it, before we can actually become a star team.

In order for Carlton to really go somewhere decent, we, as supporters, must go through some 'short term pain in order to obtain some long term gain.

This involves finishing at the bottom of the ladder (which we look like doing this year anyway), so that we can obtain those priority and second round draft picks. The teams which have managed to go through this method have shown how important it is, by building a solid base to work from and having enough depth in the team with talent to produce the goods.

So, with the unhealthy state in which Carlton's list is, many talented youngsters must come in to the club, even if it is at the expense of a few of Carlton's 'A' and 'B' grade players.

Yes, I am one for the idea of trading a Fevola, a Whitnall or a Houlihan, if it is to improve our team overall in the long run.

Such moves are hard to swallow at first, however, look back in 5-10 years time and review the situation and you will often find that it actually payed off.

There are a lot of more attractive teams going around in the competition at the moment, and if those better performing teams were to give up early picks as well as, or along with some young talented, enthusiastic players for one of our seasoned performers at Carlton then I'm all for it.

In order to achieve greatly, one must sometimes sacrifice greatly, and this, I beleive, is the principle which Carlton needs to follow.

Author:	BlueJean [ Sat May 28, 2005 8:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Those part of the SOLUTION and those part of the PROBLEM...
It is looking ever more likely that Carlton are heading for the bottom 4 come the end of season 2005. Denis Pagan is now into his third season at Carlton and having not only seen the full extent of Carlton's woes, he has also had enough time to see which players will make the cut in AFL. Make no mistake, Carlton at the moment have a list with many holes in it. As supporters we have seen that our list is thin on the skill talent stakes, has a real problem with on field leadership and do not possess a team with enough strong hard bodies in it. Come seasons end, some bold decisions need to be made by the MC. Many questions need to be raised on the depth of our list and whether we simply have a team with enough star players in it, before we can actually become a star team. In order for Carlton to really go somewhere decent, we, as supporters, must go through some 'short term pain in order to obtain some long term gain. This involves finishing at the bottom of the ladder (which we look like doing this year anyway), so that we can obtain those priority and second round draft picks. The teams which have managed to go through this method have shown how important it is, by building a solid base to work from and having enough depth in the team with talent to produce the goods. So, with the unhealthy state in which Carlton's list is, many talented youngsters must come in to the club, even if it is at the expense of a few of Carlton's 'A' and 'B' grade players. Yes, I am one for the idea of trading a Fevola, a Whitnall or a Houlihan, if it is to improve our team overall in the long run. Such moves are hard to swallow at first, however, look back in 5-10 years time and review the situation and you will often find that it actually payed off. There are a lot of more attractive teams going around in the competition at the moment, and if those better performing teams were to give up early picks as well as, or along with some young talented, enthusiastic players for one of our seasoned performers at Carlton then I'm all for it. In order to achieve greatly, one must sometimes sacrifice greatly, and this, I beleive, is the principle which Carlton needs to follow.

Author:	Big_T [ Sun May 29, 2005 12:00 am ]
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Look at those teams that win flags though BJ, none of them have won spoons within 20 or 30 years...

Author:	Synbad [ Sun May 29, 2005 12:05 am ]
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Big_T wrote: Look at those teams that win flags though BJ, none of them have won spoons within 20 or 30 years... I also believe no team has won a premiership EVER with a crap list.... Dont you guys understand the only way to being players in these days.. is via the draft?? You cant go recruit them from WA or SA... Brissy got Voss and Arka thru the Qld zone.. and players through the Fitzroy 'merger'.. good list...WOODEN SPOON

Author:	steve [ Sun May 29, 2005 2:02 am ]
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And the way they are playing at the moment, a real (if very small) chance to get another one

Author:	jbee [ Sun May 29, 2005 9:39 am ]
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StKilda will win the premiership this year and they actually had to have the canteen extended at Moorabbin to fit them all in.

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Author:	The Tyrant [ Sun May 29, 2005 4:08 pm ]
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Brisbane finished last in 98, I believe.... We need to focus our talent around hte ball and on the spine. The Houlihans of the team are good, but not right for us. Any team who wanted Fevola would have to bleed from their urethra for him. We'd be mad to trade Fevola out of choice, unless his attitude at the negotiating table was pisspoor. I'd swap Houlihan for a good tall or someone strong over the ball, Whitnall for anything at all, Bannister for a book of Collingwood stamps, and hold onto Fevola for grim death

Author:	BlueJean [ Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Those part of the SOLUTION and those part of the PROBLEM
BlueJean wrote: It is looking ever more likely that Carlton are heading for the bottom 4 come the end of season 2005. Denis Pagan is now into his third season at Carlton and having not only seen the full extent of Carlton's woes, he has also had enough time to see which players will make the cut in AFL. Make no mistake, Carlton at the moment have a list with many holes in it. As supporters we have seen that our list is thin on the skill talent stakes, has a real problem with on field leadership and do not possess a team with enough strong hard bodies in it. Come seasons end, some bold decisions need to be made by the MC. Many questions need to be raised on the depth of our list and whether we simply have a team with enough star players in it, before we can actually become a star team. In order for Carlton to really go somewhere decent, we, as supporters, must go through some 'short term pain in order to obtain some long term gain. This involves finishing at the bottom of the ladder (which we look like doing this year anyway), so that we can obtain those priority and second round draft picks. The teams which have managed to go through this method have shown how important it is, by building a solid base to work from and having enough depth in the team with talent to produce the goods. So, with the unhealthy state in which Carlton's list is, many talented youngsters must come in to the club, even if it is at the expense of a few of Carlton's 'A' and 'B' grade players. Yes, I am one for the idea of trading a Fevola, a Whitnall or a Houlihan, if it is to improve our team overall in the long run. Such moves are hard to swallow at first, however, look back in 5-10 years time and review the situation and you will often find that it actually payed off. There are a lot of more attractive teams going around in the competition at the moment, and if those better performing teams were to give up early picks as well as, or along with some young talented, enthusiastic players for one of our seasoned performers at Carlton then I'm all for it. In order to achieve greatly, one must sometimes sacrifice greatly, and this, I beleive, is the principle which Carlton needs to follow. Just thought that I'd bring up a post which I wrote almost a good four months ago... BTW, I'm still sticking with what I wrote...

Author:	Tractor Boy [ Tue Sep 13, 2005 3:22 pm ]
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jbee wrote: StKilda will win the premiership this year and they actually had to have the canteen extended at Moorabbin to fit them all in. NO NO NO.... ST KILDA NO

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