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| Author: | simonverbeek [ Wed Dec 23, 2009 11:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Let's judge our President in the same way that a Prime Minister is judged in the Newspolls. The good old job approval rating. People think Sticks is untouchable - but I get the sense even most 'average Joe Blues" are realising that there are serious management issues stemming from the highest levels. A poll would give some indication of how Sticks would fare in an election. The current embarrassment for the club is another symptom of a disease that manifested itself in Sticks' post-Fremantle loss booze-up on the Gold Coast. So: Are you satisfied with the performance of Carlton President Stephen Kernahan? |
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| Author: | simonverbeek [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Just for the record - I worshipped Stephen Kernahan as a deity for practically my whole youth. I went to sleep every night of my life with a poster of the great man looking over my bed. But I am convinced that he is not fit to be President of our Football club. And I am convinced that most Carlton fans are of the same opinion. I know that there are probably many people culpable for the errors of the last 3-4 months, and this latest debacle - but I believe things can only be corrected through change at the top. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
The fish Sticks from the head. The guy is a bufoon. Clearly the club is in good hands. Were Carlton @#$%&! the rest.... and we have tje Carlton swagger back..... |
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| Author: | CARLTON CREW [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 12:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
It seems to me there is mounting evidence that people within our senior groups, in both management and player levels, may not have the calibre of profesionalism that we as life long members/supporters give them credit for. The easy thing to do right now is to pay out on them big time and maybe they truly deserve it, however I am choosing to reserve judgement until after I find out what the club chooses to do to the individuals directly. If I feel the disciplinary action is valid in relation to the indescretions then it will go a long way in restoring my faith that we are doing the right things and heading in the right direction. I think they should use their dicression as to whether they make it public news or not but by keeping it in-house and quietly going about their daily business I know that I and a number of Carlton members/supporters will feel that there hasn't been any progression in the Carlton culture and will probably be one of those that jump on the "off with their heads" bandwagon. I sincerely hope some of those that have been featured in the papers lately for "alleged" indescretions put their own hands up and come up with their own form of punishment that will make the club and members feel that they do want to be here and that they do realised how blessed they actually are to be wearing our jumper and our logo and when they wear it they understand that it is not just a symbol on a navy blue top but a badge of honour that burns through their core and pushes them to a higher level on and off the field. |
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| Author: | klakker [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 5:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
I too , will be waiting until the whole story evolves , and see what decisions the club then makes , before I judge the people making the decisions . |
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| Author: | JohnM [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
I think most of have known for a fair while that Kernhan isn't up to the job. Let's face it, we're scared to even let the guy talk to the media, for fear of him saying something embarassing. He's an ex footballer, and one of the boys. Loves the club, great bloke to have a beer with, etc, etc. But chairman on a board of directors? You've gotta be kidding me. Loved him as a player, but if this booze culture which has flourished under HIS stewardship costs us a major sponsorship (and only he and Greg Swann and the other directors would know), he'd have to step down immediately. I'd give Sticks a 2 out of 10. And he only gets the 2, and not 0, because of the runs he put on the board as a player. Sorry Sticks. But chairing a board of directors, and steering the club during these complex times just isn't your go. |
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| Author: | 7dominator [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:53 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
A very good starting point for any post mortem on this fiasco would be 3 very simple questions... 1) Was any Member of the Board or senior Management aware of a "non official" boat trip? 2) Were Members of the coaching panel aware ? 3) Were the leadership Group participants? An afirmative answer to any of the 3 questions will clearly illustrate a severe management problem! |
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| Author: | JohnM [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 6:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Oh, and the more I found out, the more I realise the absolute futility of punishing individual players over this fiasco. Isn't it obvious that the playing group has been, in some capacity, led to believe that this kind of behaviour is ok at the club? That this is the way to live your life as a professional AFL footballer? Sure we - eventually - sacked Fev. But he practically had to metaphorically take a big steaming dump on Greg Swann and Chris Judd before we'd do it. The tone of turning a blind eye had been set in stone well before that. That's a failure of leadership. I'LL be waiting to see what kind of punishments are handed out to the leaders of the club. Problem is, who's going to sanction those REALLY responsible for this mess? |
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| Author: | 7dominator [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
JohnM wrote: I think most of have known for a fair while that Kernhan isn't up to the job. Let's face it, we're scared to even let the guy talk to the media, for fear of him saying something embarassing. He's an ex footballer, and one of the boys. Loves the club, great bloke to have a beer with, etc, etc. But chairman on a board of directors? You've gotta be kidding me. Loved him as a player, but if this booze culture which has flourished under HIS stewardship costs us a major sponsorship (and only he and Greg Swann and the other directors would know), he'd have to step down immediately. I'd give Sticks a 2 out of 10. And he only gets the 2, and not 0, because of the runs he put on the board as a player. Sorry Sticks. But chairing a board of directors, and steering the club during these complex times just isn't your go. Amen to that! The really sad part is that some of us shared those same thoughts when the Elliot ousting was on! 7 years on and what have we learnt? That Sticks is still useless! |
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| Author: | Molly [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
JohnM wrote: Oh, and the more I found out, the more I realise the absolute futility of punishing individual players over this fiasco. Isn't it obvious that the playing group has been, in some capacity, led to believe that this kind of behaviour is ok at the club? That this is the way to live your life as a professional AFL footballer? These are some of the truest words spoken on the issue. Houlihan and Betts have been punished before - it's achieved nothing. The problem though is the culture which says to them that this is the way you behave as a player and representative of the Carlton Football Club. That's a matter for the whole club to address, and fines, suspensions, etc won't achieve anything on their own. They MUST be accompanied by a massive change in culture. |
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| Author: | The Normal One [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:43 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
So when will the spill come? Waiting for the headline "Notice of Extraordinary Meeting". |
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| Author: | AIRCAV [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 7:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
well said. I have no toruble with the lads having some beers, getting crap faced. They are humans. But they must understand the wider implications, as 'unfair' as they may be. I can't just turn up to a work function, get blind and arrested and not expect that to have some ramifications to my employment. You get together as "Carlton Football players", then you assume some responsibilities, and that means by all means enjoy yourself, but know you can't run riot. That 'running riot' as they seem to have done on aplayer function seemed an ok option is the issue here, not the individuals who were caught. Rats, take them down the sandhills and go Kennedy Commando's on their ass for 4 weeks. Run them into the ground. This crap HAS to stop. |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Crowds are up, profits are up, team is on the rise. If you think part of his role should be baby sitting the players then I guess he isn't faring well in that department. |
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
TheGame wrote: Crowds are up, profits are up, team is on the rise. If you think part of his role should be baby sitting the players then I guess he isn't faring well in that department. ..actually, it is.. ..the president assumes final, total responsibility.. |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Big Kahuna Boot wrote: TheGame wrote: Crowds are up, profits are up, team is on the rise. If you think part of his role should be baby sitting the players then I guess he isn't faring well in that department. ..actually, it is.. ..the president assumes final, total responsibility.. Unless it's something good, then Swann gets the credit. 
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| Author: | Big Kahuna Boot [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
TheGame wrote: Big Kahuna Boot wrote: TheGame wrote: Crowds are up, profits are up, team is on the rise. If you think part of his role should be baby sitting the players then I guess he isn't faring well in that department. ..actually, it is.. ..the president assumes final, total responsibility.. Unless it's something good, then Swann gets the credit. ..i know where yer comin' from.. ..but, out of curisoity.. ..what would be the good things Stix has done for our club.. ..all off his own bat..?.. ..without help from others..?.. |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Quote: Quote: Quote: Crowds are up, profits are up, team is on the rise. If you think part of his role should be baby sitting the players then I guess he isn't faring well in that department. ..actually, it is.. ..the president assumes final, total responsibility. Unless it's something good, then Swann gets the credit. ..i know where yer comin' from.. ..but, out of curisoity.. ..what would be the good things Stix has done for our club.. ..all off his own bat..?.. ..without help from others..?.. He hasnt done any good things really. But he has created notable moments. For example the headhunting of O'Reilly was a Sticks initiative. Sticks gets upset when you bring that up. He says "Dont you ever forget??.. thats past history..." The problem is Sticks relevance is past history but he likes it ... presidency.... He doesnt have the balls to make any decisions. He gives jobs to mates. He will run this club into the ground with his 'braininess'.... |
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| Author: | Virgin Blue [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
The whole "They will cop a spray from Sticks" line is starting to sounds pretty hollow |
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| Author: | Synbad [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 9:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Virgin Blue wrote: The whole "They will cop a spray from Sticks" line is starting to sounds pretty hollow Actually its not... he will shake a can and pop the top.... |
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| Author: | keogh [ Thu Dec 24, 2009 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Kernahan - Job Approval Rating |
Molly wrote: JohnM wrote: Oh, and the more I found out, the more I realise the absolute futility of punishing individual players over this fiasco. Isn't it obvious that the playing group has been, in some capacity, led to believe that this kind of behaviour is ok at the club? That this is the way to live your life as a professional AFL footballer? These are some of the truest words spoken on the issue. Houlihan and Betts have been punished before - it's achieved nothing. The problem though is the culture which says to them that this is the way you behave as a player and representative of the Carlton Football Club. That's a matter for the whole club to address, and fines, suspensions, etc won't achieve anything on their own. They MUST be accompanied by a massive change in culture. Suspensions for a couple of months with no contact between player ad club havent been tried. This needs to be done with the 4 flower now and anyone else for that matter. It would be good if such penalties were imposed by the leadership group but because they were on the boat I guess that means that our President and coach need to stand up and say it to us the supporters. I dont care if its 24 hours till Santa arrives. It needs to be done now. Then properly educate all players about how outdated antisocial binge drinking is to begin eradicating this culture from the club. So far no Ratten or Sticks. How flower suprising. |
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