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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:59 pm ] |
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Thought I would have a look at the players who have managed 20+ possessions for the Blues so far this year. Names and number of games with 20+ possies this year Stevens 8 Kouta 7 Campo 6 Houlihan 5 Scotland 4 Lappin 3 Johnson 2 Carrazzo 2 Whitnall 1 Bryan 1 McGrath 1 What is interesting about this list is not who is on it, but rather who is NOT on it. Only 2 new member of the 20+ club, Carrazzo and Bryan. Is it lack of opportunity, waxing, or something else preventing new players stepping up? |
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| Author: | mjonc [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:02 pm ] |
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Opportunity. |
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:26 pm ] |
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Would Sporn, Wiggins and Livo have had a 20+ possy game at any stage of their career?... |
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| Author: | 7dominator [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:29 pm ] |
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Forget the possession stuff...Show me the numbers on contested marks! Not just forward 50 but right around the ground and from players of all sizes...... Want an archiles heel,try contested marks or lack thereof! |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:30 pm ] |
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Elwood Blues1 wrote: Would Sporn, Wiggins and Livo have had a 20+ possy game at any stage of their career?...
Would you ever want your Full Back to have a 20+ possie game? |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:38 pm ] |
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Its a blight on our team that poor Jarrad Waite is leading our marks by a long way. poor kid cant do it all by himself. |
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| Author: | Deano Supremo [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:38 pm ] |
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7dominator wrote: Forget the possession stuff...Show me the numbers on contested marks!
Not just forward 50 but right around the ground and from players of all sizes...... Want an archiles heel,try contested marks or lack thereof! Western Bulldogs have the least amount of contested marks this season (according to commentators on the weekend). They're a bit more competitive than us at the minute... |
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| Author: | GWS [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:39 pm ] |
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So are you suggesting we should "overpossess" the ball? I'm with 7dom. Show me the stats that mean something. At the moment we can't take a contested anything. |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:40 pm ] |
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Elwood Blues1 wrote: Would Sporn, Wiggins and Livo have had a 20+ possy game at any stage of their career?...
and the answer is no. Sporn and Wiggy have highs of 17. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:41 pm ] |
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Deano Supremo wrote: 7dominator wrote: Forget the possession stuff...Show me the numbers on contested marks! Not just forward 50 but right around the ground and from players of all sizes...... Want an archiles heel,try contested marks or lack thereof! Western Bulldogs have the least amount of contested marks this season (according to commentators on the weekend). They're a bit more competitive than us at the minute... They play keep things off...we play a contested game...kick long to a contest. |
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| Author: | grrofunger [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:42 pm ] |
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I reckon Campo and Stevens play fantasy footy and have themselves on their own teams. boosting stats |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:47 pm ] |
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GWS wrote: So are you suggesting we should "overpossess" the ball?
I'm with 7dom. Show me the stats that mean something. At the moment we can't take a contested anything. What I am suggesting is that we have not had one young midfielder come up with a 20+ possession game (an arbitrary cut-off point) for half a season, that is a bit of a worry. Give me some stats that mean something and I will show you some stats that mean something. |
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| Author: | Deano Supremo [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:49 pm ] |
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How do we compare with other teams Jars? |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:57 pm ] |
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Deano Supremo wrote: How do we compare with other teams Jars?
We play such a different style of game from other teams I thought it might not say much. (Or even less than I usually do  )
If you look at the list of the top NRS players this year quite a few of them have had at least one 20+ possie games this year. http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_play ... ings?rt=RT We have not had one. (Simmo got close though) |
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| Author: | 7dominator [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:57 pm ] |
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Just on contested marks it is not always about taking the thing but CONTESTING! Holding your feet,bringing it to gound and not being pushed under the thing! Want a reason why we struggle....start here!..... |
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:03 pm ] |
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Our youngsters dont get enough of the ball and after 5 seasons nearly..17 touches for Sporn and Wiggins as a game high isnt good enough. Would I want Livo getting the ball 20 times at FB...probably not but it would be nice to see him get a lot of the ball at least once a season and show us he can be a bit more attacking at times...maybe give him some more confidence as well and scope to play other roles... I agree on the contested marks...but its been a weakness for years.... |
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| Author: | camel [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:29 pm ] |
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grrofunger wrote: I reckon Campo and Stevens play fantasy footy and have themselves on their own teams.
boosting stats 
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| Author: | GWS [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:44 pm ] |
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Jarusa wrote: GWS wrote: So are you suggesting we should "overpossess" the ball? I'm with 7dom. Show me the stats that mean something. At the moment we can't take a contested anything. What I am suggesting is that we have not had one young midfielder come up with a 20+ possession game (an arbitrary cut-off point) for half a season, that is a bit of a worry. Give me some stats that mean something and I will show you some stats that mean something. Andrew McLeod Round 10 vs Carlton Kicks 5 Handballs 9 Marks 2 Goals 0 Frees For 0 I reckon they meant something. Walker never threatened 20 touches that day but I reckon it was as good a sign as we've seen that he'll be very very good. A better game than his debut where he got 26 touches. When he can do both he'll be extremely a star. That said, I take your point about the lack of young midfield stars. 
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:54 pm ] |
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GWS wrote: Jarusa wrote: GWS wrote: So are you suggesting we should "overpossess" the ball? I'm with 7dom. Show me the stats that mean something. At the moment we can't take a contested anything. What I am suggesting is that we have not had one young midfielder come up with a 20+ possession game (an arbitrary cut-off point) for half a season, that is a bit of a worry. Give me some stats that mean something and I will show you some stats that mean something. Andrew McLeod Round 10 vs Carlton Kicks 5 Handballs 9 Marks 2 Goals 0 Frees For 0 I reckon they meant something. Walker never threatened 20 touches that day but I reckon it was as good a sign as we've seen that he'll be very very good. A better game than his debut where he got 26 touches. When he can do both he'll be extremely a star. That said, I take your point about the lack of young midfield stars. Agreed, I reckon AW TTC in that game. Expecting a couple of 20+ from him before the year is out as well.
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| Author: | AGRO [ Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:58 pm ] |
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At present I would be happy with a couple of 20+ goalkickers. 
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