TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Patrick Smith.....Get over it!

Umm.. I think he has a point.
Pagan HAS been mentioning the impact of the draft picks- and more than once. Why should Denis be bringing this up now?- he doesnt have to, but he chooses to (maybe he is softening us all up for an all out charge towards the wooden spoon and the glorius priority pick< cue sound of trumpets>) Anyhow it is obviously a conscious decision (pagan NEVER says anything unless he wants to)
If Denis wants to use the media to get this message across then we can hardly complain if there is a reaction to him saying it. After all we all reserve the right to respond to what is said in the media why cant Smith do the same?

Whether or not Smith has an agenda against Carlton is irrelevant- He is merely responding to Pagans comments. To accuse him of dregging up the past is ignoring the fact that Pagan dredged it up for him.

What was the reason for the article. I've read it a couple of times & can't figure out the basis

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What was the reason for the article. I've read it a couple of times & can't figure out the basis

People make statements in the media- they trigger a response. Pagan makes statements about the salary cap penalties(ancient history- why bring it up- unless you are making excuses........) this triggers a response from Smith. That is why he wrote the article in response to Pagans public dredging up of the penalties.
In other words the 'reason for" the article is to respond to Pagans public critisisms of our draft penalties.

If you cant see this then you are just showing the same sort of bias against Smith as he shows against Carlton

Again, if DP wants to keep bringing this up, then questions have to be asked of him. Iâ€™m over the excuses. Carlton were caught cheating, fined & removed from the draft. Woopee!!! Iâ€™m over it. Itâ€™s old news. Letâ€™s move on. If we keep blaming the past, we will miss the future.

Author:	7dominator [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:02 am ]
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And they say we won,t move on.This poor excuse for a journalist continues to dreg up the past. What about breaking your own story for a change?...A scoop?...not you Patrick,just cut and paste others! http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 70,00.html

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:05 am ]
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Filthy journalism bringing up Collo's health. What a sick, sad little man.

Author:	therubbernub [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:19 am ]
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Umm.. I think he has a point. Pagan HAS been mentioning the impact of the draft picks- and more than once. Why should Denis be bringing this up now?- he doesnt have to, but he chooses to (maybe he is softening us all up for an all out charge towards the wooden spoon and the glorius priority pick< cue sound of trumpets>) Anyhow it is obviously a conscious decision (pagan NEVER says anything unless he wants to) If Denis wants to use the media to get this message across then we can hardly complain if there is a reaction to him saying it. After all we all reserve the right to respond to what is said in the media why cant Smith do the same? Whether or not Smith has an agenda against Carlton is irrelevant- He is merely responding to Pagans comments. To accuse him of dregging up the past is ignoring the fact that Pagan dredged it up for him.

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:21 am ]
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therubbernub wrote: Umm.. I think he has a point. Pagan HAS been mentioning the impact of the draft picks- and more than once. Why should Denis be bringing this up now?- he doesnt have to, but he chooses to (maybe he is softening us all up for an all out charge towards the wooden spoon and the glorius priority pick< cue sound of trumpets>) Anyhow it is obviously a conscious decision (pagan NEVER says anything unless he wants to) If Denis wants to use the media to get this message across then we can hardly complain if there is a reaction to him saying it. After all we all reserve the right to respond to what is said in the media why cant Smith do the same? Whether or not Smith has an agenda against Carlton is irrelevant- He is merely responding to Pagans comments. To accuse him of dregging up the past is ignoring the fact that Pagan dredged it up for him. I don't have a problem with the message, it's the way it's been delivered - way below the belt.

Author:	therubbernub [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:25 am ]
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Deanno I agree with you regards his comments about Collo's health, and believe me I am not holding Smith up as a top rate journalist. I was merely responding to 7doms accusation that Smith dredged up the past.

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Author:	Sumo [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:32 am ]
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And the point of this story. Is this guy an out & out Fckwit? Slow news day? - Australia beaten by England in the twenty20 - Australia beaten by Sommerset overnight in a one dayer - Australia playing Germany in the soccer - 100m sprint world record broken - Legends match I could go on Why don't you report something meaningful & current. The reason the past is still brought up is that dckheads like Smith continue to recycle the rubbish. What was the reason for the article. I've read it a couple of times & can't figure out the basis. It's like I've jumped into a story half way through

Author:	therubbernub [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:49 am ]
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Quote: What was the reason for the article. I've read it a couple of times & can't figure out the basis People make statements in the media- they trigger a response. Pagan makes statements about the salary cap penalties(ancient history- why bring it up- unless you are making excuses........) this triggers a response from Smith. That is why he wrote the article in response to Pagans public dredging up of the penalties. In other words the 'reason for" the article is to respond to Pagans public critisisms of our draft penalties. If you cant see this then you are just showing the same sort of bias against Smith as he shows against Carlton

Author:	7dominator [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:54 am ]
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My gripe with Smith is that he never breaks his own stories but choses to piece together the work of others and then holds himself up as an expert on the particular topic. As for todays piece it is quite clear that at some stage recently he has had a run-in with Pagan.Smith is a vindictive bastard who uses every opportunity to take a swipe. Collins has been a target for years and todays effort is another chance to dig the knife.

Author:	Knackers [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:06 am ]
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Excellent sports journalism.

Author:	Bookie [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:31 am ]
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Like anyone reads the Australian, even the free copies on the plane people would rather read the crash instructions. That's why this crackpot writes for them. How can a deranged nut with a grudge this big still write for newspaper, this belongs on bigfooty. Not to mention a national newspaper seen in Sydney where Optus and Dan Murphys are based. Collo never had a heart attack is that the inference? Collo is now responsible for the desgin and mowing the friggin grass at the Dome. And what Media did they do -compulsory press post game press conferences? This guy is vermin and should get back up on the roof and this time finish the job.

Author:	The Duke [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:35 am ]
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Smith is an absolute flower!! His delivery in that "story" is vengeful and vindictive, he's a spineless little twirp. The media keep complaining about how un-competetive we are, what a crap list we have - I don't think there's any problem in DP telling it like it is - the AFL's socialist system is alive and well. The only way to suceed is to fail, and the more you fail the more you succeed. When are we going to see an article about Sheeds and how every time he loses he complains about losing this player or that player to injury or suspension, or a free kick that wasn't paid, or if only Dean wallis had've held that tackle they would've won another flag....boo phoooking hoooo....the list goes on and on. Smith is p1ssweak and so is his paper!!!

Author:	tap in 79 [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:42 am ]
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great stuff. Keep it in the memory bank. It would be great to see Collo take that article with him on the MCG when we win a premiership and rip it up.... much like the demonstration from chocko in last year's grand final. winning premierships is the only way to answer people like this.

Author:	House [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:45 am ]
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therubbernub wrote: Umm.. I think he has a point. Pagan HAS been mentioning the impact of the draft picks- and more than once. Why should Denis be bringing this up now?- he doesnt have to, but he chooses to (maybe he is softening us all up for an all out charge towards the wooden spoon and the glorius priority pick< cue sound of trumpets>) Anyhow it is obviously a conscious decision (pagan NEVER says anything unless he wants to) If Denis wants to use the media to get this message across then we can hardly complain if there is a reaction to him saying it. After all we all reserve the right to respond to what is said in the media why cant Smith do the same? Whether or not Smith has an agenda against Carlton is irrelevant- He is merely responding to Pagans comments. To accuse him of dregging up the past is ignoring the fact that Pagan dredged it up for him. The bit that grates the most for me is that Smith doesn't acknowledge just how many people have said the exact same thing - or the fact that it is common sentiment that while a penalty was deserved, one which has such lasting consequences is not necessarily a good one in retrospect. IF he'd even mentioned that Demetriou himself commented on it yesterday, I would have agreed more with the article - but it did look very much like someone with an axe to grind making sure they paid great attention to that grinding......

Author:	Laserkid [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:45 am ]
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[quote="Bookie"]Like anyone reads the Australian, even the free copies on the plane people would rather read the crash instructions. That's why this crackpot writes for them. quote] Absolutely. We are stupid enough here to quote this trash. Ignore him and he will go away. Our hate gives him power. He is part of the Axil of Evil, Ron Evan, Dimitrou and Smith. Can we get a "an refence to Patrick Smith will get the correspondant banned from TC" clause inserted in the TC guidlines?

Author:	womack [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:28 am ]
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it's always Collo's conflict of interest - nothing about Ron Evan's conflict of interest as provider of $4 pies to the masses.... nothing about James Hird doing 2 hours a week work for Evans' son at JB Were for big$$$... they are the real stories!!!

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Author:	tap in 79 [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:51 am ]
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You have got to hand it to him though - for a fool he is extremely witty...

Author:	Wild Blue Yonder [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:02 am ]
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Patrick does think he is a very clever writer. It's a shame the rest of the world doesn't agree.

Author:	Sumo [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:06 am ]
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therubbernub wrote: Quote: What was the reason for the article. I've read it a couple of times & can't figure out the basis People make statements in the media- they trigger a response. Pagan makes statements about the salary cap penalties(ancient history- why bring it up- unless you are making excuses........) this triggers a response from Smith. That is why he wrote the article in response to Pagans public dredging up of the penalties. In other words the 'reason for" the article is to respond to Pagans public critisisms of our draft penalties. If you cant see this then you are just showing the same sort of bias against Smith as he shows against Carlton Draft penalties have been done to death in the media. Some still do it to death in this forum. Isnâ€™t there anything else to report on about Carlton other than Colloâ€™s health, conflict of interest & draft penalties? Is there nothing else news worthy about the Blues? With reference to the penalties, I think everybody in the football community understands at least part of what happened & the implications associated. I donâ€™t care if Pagan wants to mention it at every press conference (which is a separate issue in itâ€™s self), does it have to be continually reported? And donâ€™t tell me that the journalists are obligated to report this stuff. Ask a different question at the press conference & get a different story. To simply re-hash old reports & up date them with some current stats is being simple minded? If youâ€™re professional in your approach to your job, then why not report fresh newsworthy articles. If youâ€™re going to continue to report this rubbish, then you might as well go & work for the Picture magazine. Great scoop Patrickâ€¦â€¦â€

Author:	therubbernub [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:25 am ]
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Quote: Again, if DP wants to keep bringing this up, then questions have to be asked of him. Iâ€™m over the excuses. Carlton were caught cheating, fined & removed from the draft. Woopee!!! Iâ€™m over it. Itâ€™s old news. Letâ€™s move on. If we keep blaming the past, we will miss the future. Well said.

Author:	DocSherrin III [ Thu Jun 16, 2005 9:45 am ]
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The saddest thing about this article is that we have a fantastic game that we are trying to showcase to the northern states in a positive light. One of the forums to do this is the Australian Newspaper...now - I doubt anyone interstate is going to read that drivel. Why not write about the Sydney / Collingwood game at Telstra Stadium coming up?? Why not write about the James Hirds' / Jason Akermanis' of the world who are out and out champions and grew up playing Aussie Rules in Rugby dominated States. That'd be positive and send a message to Mums and Dads during the State of Origin that it might be a good idea to branch out and take little Johnny down to an AusKick morning. Patrick Smith is a fool....a poor journalist technically with a real lack of regard for the game that he is priveledged to be able to make his living writing about...albeit very poorly.