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The Pago Pago Plan
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Author:  BrizzyBlue [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:53 pm ]
Post subject:  The Pago Pago Plan
I have recently posted a number of topics about our list. There are two particularly that I want to revisit:
MIA http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=2756
and The List from 2003 to 2006 http://www.talkingcarlton.com/phpBB2/vi ... php?t=2588

Why you may ask? It’s pretty simple really. Unfinished business! I have looked back over them and the replies received and have come to the conclusion that I need to be more explicit about the challenges that we face and more importantly the solutions. I am amazed at the number of similar posts about the same subjects and I don’t believe we have consensus on the core issue..our list.

I have come to the conclusion based on feedback that we can’t chop a third of the list, but if I was in the halls of power at OO, I bloody well would. We have to chop out the superfluous players to rebuild in order to become a power again. Let there be no doubt there are many fringe dwellers that just won’t be part of the 17th flag.

Therefore there would be a number of risks that would need to be taken to get the ultimate prize.

1. Retirements/trades/delistings of players who offer poor value for money. Even at reduced contracts do they offer enough to mentor the kids who will be part of the grand plan? It is obvious that DP is using the rest of the season to determine who will be here next year.

2. He clearly doesn’t want to expose the kids to the rabble just yet. Similar to 2004 when Carrots and AB got a taste, I sure we will eventually see the likes of Russell, Hartlett, Blackwell and possibly Carlos, Smith and Becker dependant on LTI. With Raso to come in 2006, in my mind there are some exciting times ahead.

3. Taking the above two points in to account, it is simply a case of who to retain and who has to go to make room. This is the tough part, however…

I still believe that we are only a couple of bits of the jigsaw away from being a very competitive unit. Some of you will think I wear rose coloured glasses or the sun has finally got to me, however we have a fairly solid base of good quality 18-25 year olds plus a couple of vets who will still be required to mentor the kids.

I have elected to work backwards in terms of experience rather than the traditional way, so we can see where the gaps are. Without referring to MIA, it is obvious a number of acquisitions will need to be Midfielders, however lets look at what I reckon will be the ins and outs. Keep in mind we could have up to 38 players on the main list with up to 6 rookies. Total 44 as we have this year.


2006 Newbies (12)

First Round Draft Pick
Priority Draft Pick (please)
Second Round Draft Pick
Second Round Draft Pick (From Trade)
Third Round Draft Pick (Maybe F/S)
Fourth Round Pick (Maybe Traded Away)
Fifth Round Pick (Maybe Traded Away)
Sixth Round Pick (Project Player)
PSD Pick (Un-contracted Player)
Rookie Draft Pick
Rookie Draft Pick
Rookie Draft Pick


2005 Additions (11)

Aisake O’hAilpin (Rookie)
Anthony Raso
Nick Becker (Rookie)
Jesse Smith (Rookie)
Luke Blackwell
Adam Hartlett
Jordan Russell
Chris Bryan
Eddie Betts
Setanta O’hAilpin (Upgraded)
Callum Chambers


Pre 2005 (21)

Adam Bentick
Andrew Carrazzo
Adrian De Luca
Kade Simpson
Karl Norman
Justin Davies
Brad Fisher
Luke Livingston
Andrew Walker
Cory McGrath
Jarrad Waite
Bret Thornton
Heath Scotland
David Teague
Ryan Houlihan
Brendan Fevola
Lance Whitnall
Nick Stevens
Matthew Lappin
Barnaby French
Anthony Koutoufides (Final year)


Trade if Possible/Delist/Retire

Scott Camporeale
Trent Sporn
Digby Morrell
Simon Wiggins
Troy Longmuir
Ian Prendergast
Jordon Bannister
Glen Bowyer
Brett Johnson
Daniel Batson
Sam Pleming
David Clarke


Well as you can all see that reduces the possible axings from 17 to 12. These are spots that will be needed for the newbies. Don’t be surprised if there is not a few more. Obviously there are a number of fringies on the above list that still might be chopped. We keep hearing that either Fev or Whittas could be trade bait. If so we could improve our order and picks in the draft. Not sure if we would from Houla, Teague, Sporny, Bagpipes etc. though.

Final Point: If Pago Pago has the opportunity to refresh the list with at least 12 newbies, won’t he find a spot for them? You better friggin believe it! Your thoughts kiddies?
Author:  Wild Blue Yonder [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:17 pm ]
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If we ever reach consensus on anything on this site, I'm not coming back
Author:  malbi [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:27 pm ]
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
If we ever reach consensus on anything on this site, I'm not coming back

Don't we all share the same opinion on Patrick Smith or is someone going to go out on a limb and say that they like him? :shock:
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:58 pm ]
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Daniel Batson....no good?...some of our Bullants watchers reckon he goes ok and is worth developing...yet you want to chop him...bit harsh...worth another year as a rookie I would have thought...
Author:  TruBlueBrad [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:01 pm ]
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Anything is possible, people here have admitted to still liking Hamill
Author:  dannyboy [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:13 pm ]
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who?

as for the players - Batson another year on the rookie list please.

T-Lo - think Pagan will give him another year.
Author:  Bluebernz [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:29 pm ]
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Wild Blue Yonder wrote:
If we ever reach consensus on anything on this site, I'm not coming back


I don't agee with this comment!!
Author:  BrizzyBlue [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:46 pm ]
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Been trying to find out if Batson has been playing for the Bullants reserves, cause we haven't heard much about his progress. Can any of you locals give us a leg up on this lad?
Author:  ryan2000 [ Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:32 pm ]
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BrizzyBlue wrote:
Been trying to find out if Batson has been playing for the Bullants reserves, cause we haven't heard much about his progress. Can any of you locals give us a leg up on this lad?


For some reason i keep getting Batson and Becker mixed up????????

Batson, eeehhhhhhh i'm not sold on him i'm affraid. He played well a few weeks ago against Coburg and i think, kicked two goals! But apart from that i really haven't seen him do anything that would suggest he can make it in our senior side!

Nick Becker though - i have faith in this kid! I'm starting to get excited! A lot to work on, but has potential~!
Author:  BrizzyBlue [ Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:32 am ]
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