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Elwood Blues1 wrote:

We are sliding down the path of the Bulldogs/Kangaroos and all the other gutter crawling clubs.

Elwood, I know it's a Carlton forum, but I think it's attitudes like this that has put your club in the position it currently faces. I always read with interest many of the issues posted on this site (and TBV previously), but perhaps the attitude of both administrators and fans of Carlton in the past has been to reflect on the successes of the past and completely disregard the ever-changing landscape of football. How seriously did Carlton's admin post 1995 take to recruiting young talent? How seriously did they take the Salary Cap, and the repeated warnings not to breach it? How pro-active were they in marketing and expansion policies so as to increase the exposure and subsequent revenue streams of the club?

A little disappointed at the cheap shots thrown to those small "gutter" clubs like North and the Dogs, clubs whose histories are every bit as rich and diverse as Carlton's (just without a larger trophy cabinet :wink:

Author:	BlueMark [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:35 pm ]
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May as well pour ourselves a nice large snifter of Brandy and wrap ourselves up in a warm blanket and flick on the classic movies channel. This winter and the next couple are going to be long cold and dark. The problems currently afflicting the team are many and varied. Lack of confidence Lack of talent Lack of leadership are all cited as being the reasons for our continuing demise and I think it is a combination of these and many other things as well. What to do? Early draft picks? Nice, but it will take a couple years before they mature Turnover the list via trades and delistings? Well, this can satisfy those demanding change, but is it a real fix? Sack the coach? Yep the calls are starting. Sometimes, employing one or more of the above can offer a quick 'fix' but how often do they offer a permanent solution. No, our problems are deeper, much deeper. We will get early draft picks this year, we will turnover the list, there might even be changes in the match committee, but unless we address the deep core problem we will be in the same position in two years as we are now. Locked in a cold dark winter. The problem we have and have had for the last three years or so years is Self respect and the lack of. There is a lack of Self respect in the way we train, in the way we play and in the way we conduct ourselves on and off the field. It runs though our club from the administration, the playing group and even to the supporter base And until we learn to have self respect for ourselves as a club, as a playing group and as supporters, we even cannot begin to address the other issues that affect the team. It begins with each player, administrator and supporter developing thier own indivivual self respect. Its is going to be a long cold winter.

Author:	budzy [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:57 pm ]
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I agree that the players have lost respect for themselves collectively. Pagan needs to get some of the former greats in Wayne Johnston, Jezza, Fitzpatrick, etc involved with actual on ground training drills not just a quick pep talk then out the door again....actual training involvement. Libba & Elshaugh should take a break for a couple of weeks. We are at crisis point on the ground atm...DO SOMETHING PAGAN

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:01 pm ]
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This is why I appreciate what you have to say Mark. Right on the money again....the whole place is falling apart.

Author:	Blue Bird [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:03 pm ]
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Don't know about brandy - think I would prefer valium. Planning to spend the winter nice and cosy in the drafts/recruitment room.

Author:	nightcrawler [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:03 pm ]
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Yeah Nah I think we just need some draft picks

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Author:	Dawson [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:22 pm ]
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Having a home ground would also be a good start as well. Playing at Optus would maintain that sense of tradition and pride in the jumper. Currently we have no pride in jumper whatsoever. BACK TO PRINCES PARK!!!!!!

Author:	Laguna [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:07 pm ]
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And do you know what the most disappointing fact is? THE CLUB SAYS ABSOLUTELY F%$#ING NOTHING!!!! And by the club I mean: COLLO, COUTS, PAGAN, LIBBA, ELSHAUG even KERNAHAN HELLO? IS ANYONE HOME? ET HERE! John Kennedy had a famous saying: â€œDonâ€™t sayâ€¦â€¦DO! This club is doing neither!! IT STARTS WITH OFF-FIELD LEADERSHIP!

Author:	stretford blue [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:19 pm ]
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"Now is the winter of our discontent"...Shakespeare must have been a Carlton Supporter.....

Author:	Blue Bird [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:26 pm ]
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Draft picks, draft picks my kingdom for some draft picks.

Author:	ScottSaunders [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:27 pm ]
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brandy is for nancy boys who think they have more money than they actually do. tastes like shit as well unless you are a booze hound. now - beer, give me a beer anyday.

Author:	BlueMark [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:44 pm ]
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And beer is for Yobbos who fall off thier pushbikes

Author:	ScottSaunders [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:47 pm ]
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BlueMark wrote: And beer is for Yobbos who fall off thier pushbikes yeah - bloody yobos

Author:	Heavs [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:50 pm ]
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In it's own little way my bo-dy was tryn to say that you'd better stop drinking brandy ...

Author:	Brettie [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:57 pm ]
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It's a fair call you make all-round BlueMark, but what exactly do you mean by supporters developing their own self-respect? That one's got me scratching my head a bit......

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Author:	fevolaaaa [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:52 pm ]
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Brettie wrote: It's a fair call you make all-round BlueMark, but what exactly do you mean by supporters developing their own self-respect? That one's got me scratching my head a bit...... It's a swipe at Synbad cheering losses

Author:	Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:30 pm ]
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Respect is earned and not given....supporters have done their bit and helped the club with record memberships...forums like this show the passion is there....but We have developed a losing mentality, we are accepting being a banana republic in terms of the footballing world.....wrong attitude. We are sliding down the path of the Bulldogs/Kangaroos and all the other gutter crawling clubs and BM is proably right we have lost self respect overall. Where is the arrogance? the cocky confidence that we can get ourselves out of the mess.....now we are losing games to get Priority Picks...maybe its fools gold... Hard to enthuse a club and its supporters when you have the coach looking forward to draft picks..the media telling us we need draft picks... and a playing group who are playing for their own survival. Play some kids like Sentanta,Blackwell, Russell, try some new positions...give us some hope coach and MC...dont just give up and rollover. Grow some balls and do something....not just wait until October-December for another session of draft hoping and praying....I just cant believe how the club have given up....

Author:	CS [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:01 pm ]
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I love brandy...

Author:	SurreyBlue [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:10 pm ]
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Now your talking Elwood.

Author:	Sedat [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:12 pm ]
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Elwood Blues1 wrote: We are sliding down the path of the Bulldogs/Kangaroos and all the other gutter crawling clubs. Elwood, I know it's a Carlton forum, but I think it's attitudes like this that has put your club in the position it currently faces. I always read with interest many of the issues posted on this site (and TBV previously), but perhaps the attitude of both administrators and fans of Carlton in the past has been to reflect on the successes of the past and completely disregard the ever-changing landscape of football. How seriously did Carlton's admin post 1995 take to recruiting young talent? How seriously did they take the Salary Cap, and the repeated warnings not to breach it? How pro-active were they in marketing and expansion policies so as to increase the exposure and subsequent revenue streams of the club? A little disappointed at the cheap shots thrown to those small "gutter" clubs like North and the Dogs, clubs whose histories are every bit as rich and diverse as Carlton's (just without a larger trophy cabinet ).

Author:	Electric Blue [ Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:22 pm ]
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Sedat wrote: Elwood Blues1 wrote: We are sliding down the path of the Bulldogs/Kangaroos and all the other gutter crawling clubs. Elwood, I know it's a Carlton forum, but I think it's attitudes like this that has put your club in the position it currently faces. I always read with interest many of the issues posted on this site (and TBV previously), but perhaps the attitude of both administrators and fans of Carlton in the past has been to reflect on the successes of the past and completely disregard the ever-changing landscape of football. How seriously did Carlton's admin post 1995 take to recruiting young talent? How seriously did they take the Salary Cap, and the repeated warnings not to breach it? How pro-active were they in marketing and expansion policies so as to increase the exposure and subsequent revenue streams of the club? A little disappointed at the cheap shots thrown to those small "gutter" clubs like North and the Dogs, clubs whose histories are every bit as rich and diverse as Carlton's (just without a larger trophy cabinet ). Tend to agree, when we are talking gutter clubs we're talking about our own.