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Author:  drsilvagni [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:44 pm ]
Post subject:  fevola vs lloyd
      Fevola
      Year Games Marks Marks per game Disp Disp per game Goals Goals per game Pts Accuracy Tack Tack per game
      2003 22 112 5.09 257 11.68 63 2.86 45 58.33% 31 1.41
      2004 20 107 5.35 233 11.65 66 3.30 41 61.68% 16 0.80
      2005 11 62 5.64 124 11.27 33 3.00 21 61.11% 24 2.18
      94 429 4.56 942 10.02 228 2.43 172 57.00% 112 1.19

      Lloyd
      Year Games Marks Marks per game Disp Disp per game Goals Goals per game Pts Accuracy Tack Tack per game
      1997 20 125 6.25 272 13.60 63 3.15 33 65.63% 17 0.85
      1998 23 156 6.78 326 14.17 70 3.04 38 64.81% 24 1.04
      1999 22 142 6.45 293 13.32 87 3.95 40 68.50% 22 1.00
      2000 25 186 7.44 391 15.64 109 4.36 60 64.50% 21 0.84
      2001 21 158 7.52 293 13.95 105 5.00 36 74.47% 23 1.10
      2002 16 96 6.00 183 11.44 47 2.94 29 61.84% 11 0.69
      2003 22 140 6.36 270 12.27 93 4.23 30 75.61% 21 0.95
      2004 24 134 5.58 277 11.54 96 4.00 39 71.11% 35 1.46
      2005 10 43 4.30 111 11.10 22 2.20 18 55.00% 9 0.90
      199 1248 6.27 2576 12.94 717 3.60 336 68.09% 195 0.98
Author:  Jarusa [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:47 pm ]
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http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg= ... eid=197305

http://footygeek.com/content/view/1896/83/ :wink:
Author:  drsilvagni [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:56 pm ]
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Yep, thanks Jarusa your analysis made me take a look at these figures of Fevola vs Lloyd

Mine are a lot more basic but take 2003 (Fevola) and 1997 (lloyd) as year zero for both of them, ie the year both made a big impression consistently. Only problem with that is that Fev is two years older at year zero but I think we'd all agree that Fev has probably matured a bit later than Lloyd (a mate worked at Essendon* and describes him as the youngest 50 year old he's ever met).

Their average in the first two years of these periods are pretty much the same, though Lloyd did have more possessions per game (but surprisingly half as many tackles which puts paid to the analysis that Fev doesn;t work hard enough).

Fev will need to get a move along to match Lloyd's year 3, ie 87 goals at 3.95 per match.
Author:  drsilvagni [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:59 pm ]
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It's also interesting that Fev isn't that far off last year's averages despite talk that he really isn't playing well. Granted we probably expected vast improvements on last year but injury does have to be considered. His game against Footscray was excellent, I think, considering he basically looked lame and unable to get off the ground.
Author:  Jarusa [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:00 pm ]
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Yeh, I will probably do another comparison after the Shag's 100th game.

He will be a bit behind Lloyd by this stage. But in the 80-100 game point in LLoyd's career he was playing in a premiership team, while Fevola ... well we know the story.

I might try and put your data in a table so everyone can see it better, if that is alright dr. ?
Author:  drsilvagni [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:18 pm ]
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Yeh, that's more than fine Jarusa

On your point about winning teams it definitely is relevant.

The third year of the periods we're talking about are 2005 for Fev and 1999 for Lloyd. We all know how many games we've won; but Essendon* were travelling pretty nicely. in fact, I'm not sure why they didn't win that year. they won 19 games. How can a team win 19 games and not make the grand final me asks?

The first two years are both in fev's favour, ie harder to kick goals in losing teams.

1st: Carlton 15th with 4 wins; Essendon* 14th with 9 wins
2nd: Carlton 11th with 10 wins; Essendon* 8th with 12 wins
Author:  molsey [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:05 pm ]
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What sort of table formats can be viewed easily on TC? Sometimes i've tried to put stuff up and it becomes too hard to read - as distinct from no on wanting to read it!
Author:  Wojee [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:25 pm ]
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If you use the code tags properly you can make tables and the like more legible.
Don't ask me how exactly, I've never posted tables, just seen it done on other sites.
Author:  chyna [ Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:55 pm ]
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If you are gonna give a realistic and indepth analysis, be fair to both blokes and analyse from the start of their careers.
No point giving a slanted and obviously biased set of statistics to give credibility to your argument.
Author:  drsilvagni [ Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:18 am ]
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Loosen up chyna

Not sure how they're slanted? Made mention of the fact that it took Fev four years to get to the same stage as Lloyd. As far as I can remember Fevola was almost a bench player during the Parkin years. He certainly wasn't the go-to man in the forward line for Carlton before 2003. Nor was Lloyd in his first two years either. Lloyd kicked 18 goals in 1996 with one haul of 7.

I was trying to look at the years when they became the significant forward in their side and I reckon Fevola compares favourably in that regard. The question is whether he has the same application to be able to take the next step. And obviously Fevola is three years older at year zero than Lloyd was so if he's going to take the next step, he needs to take it now.

Fevola has not gone anywhere near proving that he can be as good a full forward as Matthew Lloyd has been.
Author:  Elwood Blues1 [ Fri Jun 24, 2005 9:55 am ]
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I prefer Fev...I think Fev at his best is more exciting and the dreadlocked one can improve even further.
Lloyd is a very good footballer but to me has shown he rely's more heavily on decent supply than Fev does.....put Lloyd into a decent team and he would be leading the goalkicking again but as a individual footballer I think Fev has more to offer and is capable of winning his own ball more often than Lloyd who needs spoon feeding...
Author:  AGRO [ Fri Jun 24, 2005 10:19 am ]
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Fev can also be effective up the ground and can spot up and pass to blokes in our forward line up to 50 metres away - he did this to great effect in the Wizard Cup. Come to think of it we did a lot of things with great effect in the Wizard Cup. :cry:

But you get the general idea.
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