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Author: | BigKev [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
1) We are NOT soft. Those saying that we lose because the players don't play hard enough should take a closer look. Players have different styles. Not all players are "crash and bash" types. Every club has a mix of types. No one at Carlton is "soft". 2) We do NOT stop trying. Anyone who thinks that the players "give up" or "can't be bothered" is wrong. Watch a replay. 3) We do NOT have a crap list. The list is fine. Could always have more depth etc, but at the moment we're almost at full strength and that's good enough to trouble anyone. (And by "trouble" I mean defeat). 4) The game plan is NOT rubbish. Ratten's was fine and so is Malthouses. There is no such thing as a "magic" game plan that's going to change everything. 5) Our skill level is NOT significantly worse than anyone elses. The ability clearly is there. So why are we losing games? Because too many players are finding themselves overwhelmed by a fear of failure. It is the fear of losing that is costing us the chance to win. Exhibit One : Carlton Vs Essendon*. Last quarter -- have a look how many of our guns missed straight-forward targets. Did they suddenly lose their ability? Uh-uh. They were sh*t scared of being the one to stuff it up. So inevitably this is what happened. There's heaps of other examples. Curnow running into goal 40m out goes for chip to McLean in the pocket instead of going for home. Lucas misses from 10m because he's wondering if he should handball it. And so on. The players have to have the mental courage ... to dare to win. That, I believe, is all that's between us and 17. I don't think it matters if they're introverts or extroverts it's a matter of wanting to be a winner more than you fear being a loser. At the moment we're showing the world that we can tear strips of anyone, but then when it comes to icing the game no one wants the spotlight on them. This is what, hopefully, Malthouse can improve. This is why I don't like a lot of team changes. Our players need confidence. As John Kennedy famously said, our players need to DO. They need to want to be the one to make things happen when the heat is on. To have the courage to run off your player so that if a team-mate gets lose they have a target. They need to know that it's better to try and fail than to just sit back and hope things work out. |
Author: | DocSherrin III [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
You obviously missed Kane Lucas run way from a 3-on-1, then miss the tackle on Hocking? That was soft. No two ways about it. |
Author: | Andain [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
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Author: | bluebo baggers [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:58 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
We have the best jumper in the competition |
Author: | bondiblue [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
BigKev wrote: 1) We are NOT soft. Those saying that we lose because the players don't play hard enough should take a closer look. Players have different styles. Not all players are "crash and bash" types. Every club has a mix of types. No one at Carlton is "soft". 2) We do NOT stop trying. Anyone who thinks that the players "give up" or "can't be bothered" is wrong. Watch a replay. 3) We do NOT have a crap list. The list is fine. Could always have more depth etc, but at the moment we're almost at full strength and that's good enough to trouble anyone. (And by "trouble" I mean defeat). 4) The game plan is NOT rubbish. Ratten's was fine and so is Malthouses. There is no such thing as a "magic" game plan that's going to change everything. 5) Our skill level is NOT significantly worse than anyone elses. The ability clearly is there. So why are we losing games? Because too many players are finding themselves overwhelmed by a fear of failure. It is the fear of losing that is costing us the chance to win. Exhibit One : Carlton Vs Essendon*. Last quarter -- have a look how many of our guns missed straight-forward targets. Did they suddenly lose their ability? Uh-uh. They were sh*t scared of being the one to stuff it up. So inevitably this is what happened. There's heaps of other examples. Curnow running into goal 40m out goes for chip to McLean in the pocket instead of going for home. Lucas misses from 10m because he's wondering if he should handball it. And so on. The players have to have the mental courage ... to dare to win. That, I believe, is all that's between us and 17. I don't think it matters if they're introverts or extroverts it's a matter of wanting to be a winner more than you fear being a loser. At the moment we're showing the world that we can tear strips of anyone, but then when it comes to icing the game no one wants the spotlight on them. This is what, hopefully, Malthouse can improve. This is why I don't like a lot of team changes. Our players need confidence. As John Kennedy famously said, our players need to DO. They need to want to be the one to make things happen when the heat is on. To have the courage to run off your player so that if a team-mate gets lose they have a target. They need to know that it's better to try and fail than to just sit back and hope things work out. Good post. I agree the glass is half full and we have a lot of good stuff. The foot passing by our seniors was astonishing. Not that they can't but thet didn't. Fatigue? Don't Dare to Dream? Injured? Lost form? Aged? Whatever. We had the game by the nuts. Enough said. WE didn't maintain the pressure because of mistakes. They can be fixed. WE can't fix the past, but we can fix the future. |
Author: | Adam Chatfield [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
In reply to the below: 1) We are NOT soft. Those saying that we lose because the players don't play hard enough should take a closer look. Players have different styles. Not all players are "crash and bash" types. Every club has a mix of types. No one at Carlton is "soft". We are soft in that anytime a side turns the heat in we can't stop them. 2) We do NOT stop trying. Anyone who thinks that the players "give up" or "can't be bothered" is wrong. Watch a replay. I don't think we stop trying, we are just mentally soft. 3) We do NOT have a crap list. The list is fine. Could always have more depth etc, but at the moment we're almost at full strength and that's good enough to trouble anyone. (And by "trouble" I mean defeat). Our lists top 16 or so players are very good, but it falls away and is unbalanced from there. We have 3 good KPP players, 4 ruckmen who we try and pretend are forwards, lots of half back flankers and lots of c grade to rubbish players elsewhere. 4) The game plan is NOT rubbish. Ratten's was fine and so is Malthouses. There is no such thing as a "magic" game plan that's going to change everything. Largely agree with this, we are still in a getting to know Mick and Mick getting to know our players stage. Ratts worked out a game plan devised to our strengths, but was unable to stop the erratic performances of the side. Malthouse has helped this to a degree. 5) Our skill level is NOT significantly worse than anyone elses. The ability clearly is there. Again top 16 I would agree with but we don't have enough players of sufficient skill on the list overall which hurts us. So why are we losing games? Because too many players are finding themselves overwhelmed by a fear of failure. It is the fear of losing that is costing us the chance to win. That is part of my definition of soft. |
Author: | missnaut [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
bluebo baggers wrote: We have the best jumper in the competition You beat me to it! |
Author: | CK95 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:08 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
We have plenty of grunty slowish tagging type mids |
Author: | cimm1979 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 4:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
Stay positive BigKev! Too many backward looking, knicker wetting, suicidal nuffies on here (not to mention a couple of bomber trolls) ATM . Plenty to like about last night, it hurt, but suck it up FFS. |
Author: | Synbad [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:06 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
cimm1979 wrote: Stay positive BigKev! Too many backward looking, knicker wetting, suicidal nuffies on here (not to mention a couple of bomber trolls) ATM . Plenty to like about last night, it hurt, but suck it up FFS. hahaha you enjoy it dont you??? ... you dont mind that we melt like a paddlepop on a @#$%&! hot day time and time again.... you know the pig??? it lives in a pig sty... it plays in mud... and rolls around loving it.... the other animals in the farm roll their eyes at the pig in the mud... for them it stinks and its dirty.... but the pig...its happy.. its used to it.. its in its element...he doesnt feel the mud .. he doesnt smell the stench... its in his home.... its what it knows.. and for the pig.. its all ok..!!! |
Author: | cimm1979 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:09 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
Just lookin forward Synny ol' bean. Stay in the past, it's safe there. ![]() |
Author: | Synbad [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:13 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
cimm1979 wrote: Just lookin forward Synny ol' bean. Stay in the past, it's safe there. ![]() so what the pig is saying to the animals... is this is its home from now on and thats that???? ![]() like i said... you might like it there.. but not everyone does.. and it doesnt mean cos they want improvent .. and standards that theyre living in the past. its about ambition and moving into the future.....improvement.. moving out of the ghetto. how dare u knock me for that???? ![]() |
Author: | cimm1979 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:31 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
Synbad wrote: cimm1979 wrote: Just lookin forward Synny ol' bean. Stay in the past, it's safe there. ![]() so what the pig is saying to the animals... is this is its home from now on and thats that???? ![]() like i said... you might like it there.. but not everyone does.. and it doesnt mean cos they want improvent .. and standards that theyre living in the past. its about ambition and moving into the future.....improvement.. moving out of the ghetto. how dare u knock me for that???? :screwy: ^^ ![]() You forgot something......................... LUCAS!!!! ![]() |
Author: | Synbad [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
cimm1979 wrote: Synbad wrote: cimm1979 wrote: Just lookin forward Synny ol' bean. Stay in the past, it's safe there. ![]() so what the pig is saying to the animals... is this is its home from now on and thats that???? ![]() like i said... you might like it there.. but not everyone does.. and it doesnt mean cos they want improvent .. and standards that theyre living in the past. its about ambition and moving into the future.....improvement.. moving out of the ghetto. how dare u knock me for that???? :screwy: ^^ ![]() You forgot something......................... LUCAS!!!! ![]() I didnt forget anything... Lurkas ???? hes playing in the mud and he thinks hes doing ok.... thats right!!!! 4 years and a 12 yo kid can kick sand in his face still................... There is nothing about Lurkus that screams "were moving out of the ghetto and into Toorak" nothing.....!!!' i think youre getting the anecdotes confused.. i said i want winners... and a truly ambitious club..!!!.. and dont knock that!!! You dont understand do you???.... ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Author: | cimm1979 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
Synbad wrote: You dont understand do you???.... ![]() ![]() ![]() I get it. You're upset. And struggling with perspective, again. |
Author: | Blues Clues [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:05 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
cimm1979 wrote: Stay positive BigKev! Too many backward looking, knicker wetting, suicidal nuffies on here (not to mention a couple of bomber trolls) ATM . Plenty to like about last night, it hurt, but suck it up FFS. ![]() |
Author: | grrofunger [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:14 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
missnaut wrote: bluebo baggers wrote: We have the best jumper in the competition You beat me to it! and me |
Author: | Synbad [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
cimm1979 wrote: Synbad wrote: You dont understand do you???.... ![]() ![]() ![]() I get it. You're upset. And struggling with perspective, again. noooooooo im not... im just watching the pig in the mud lose perspective again |
Author: | bluedog [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:46 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
bluebo baggers wrote: We have the best jumper in the competition Even that used to be a whole lot better!!!!!!!! |
Author: | cimm1979 [ Sat Jun 08, 2013 6:57 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: The things that are NOT wrong with Carlton |
bluedog wrote: bluebo baggers wrote: We have the best jumper in the competition Even that used to be a whole lot better!!!!!!!! NOTCHES!!!! |
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