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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:58 pm 
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Rod Ashman
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Lappin has knocked back a two-year deal. Says he'll only sign for three years. New regime is very wary of offering three-year contracts.

Something else to worry about. :(

No news on Fev and Co. yet.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:00 pm 
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Thanks kenny, always the first with the inside info.

This 2-3 year contract issue seems to be coming up pretty often now.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:01 pm 
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Although he's durable I don't know whether he's got 3 years left in him...

But I don't see another club offering him a 3 year deal either.

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Players want what is in their best interests. Carlton are in no position to not sign Lappin so they better come to agreement.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:20 pm 
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Why does he want three years? Because he's not sure he'll be playing well enough in his second year to warrant a further contract extension.

Why don't we want to offer him three years? Read above. No three year deals for anyone over the age of 28, in my opinion.

If Lappo can find a club that'll offer him 3 years on decent money, I'm sure we can organise a trade. First round pick? Maybe.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:24 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
Players want what is in their best interests. Carlton are in no position to not sign Lappin so they better come to agreement.


Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

These long deals are what got us in trouble in the first place.
Honestly, I'm sick of the club being held to ransom by some of these blokes.
Injuries aside, what has Matthe Lappin done this year that warrants a 3 year contract?

I love him as a player, but this greediness (sp?) of some of our more senior players is starting to piss me off.

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Is he greedy because he wants job security?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:34 pm 
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TheGame wrote:
Is he greedy because he wants job security?


Not at all.
But the guy is 28.

It's not like we are going to trade him anytime soon.
A 2 year contract will see him out until he is 30.

What is wrong with that?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:35 pm 
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Making a few assumptions there, PJ. You don't know what his offer was. If it was shit then maybe he was right to turn it down. How do you know that he's greedy.

I agree that maybe 3 years at this stage seems a bit long. I hope that he signs for a further two years.

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He is actually 29......turns 30 next February


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:37 pm 
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Making a few assumptions there, PJ. You don't know what his offer was. If it was shit then maybe he was right to turn it down. How do you know that he's greedy.

I agree that maybe 3 years at this stage seems a bit long. I hope that he signs for a further two years.


Don't need to know the figures.
Kenny has already provided us with the length of the contract that Lappin is after.

My point is, the club should not make an exception for contract lengths after they have already stated that they will never sign anyone to a lengthy contract ever again.

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Disappointing to hear.

I hope he isn't carrying a grudge coz he missed out on the B&F last year.

2 year deal is appropiate considering his age IMO.

Hope Sticks and Malouf stand tough with all these deals.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:41 pm 
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phoenix johnson wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Making a few assumptions there, PJ. You don't know what his offer was. If it was shit then maybe he was right to turn it down. How do you know that he's greedy.

I agree that maybe 3 years at this stage seems a bit long. I hope that he signs for a further two years.


Don't need to know the figures.
Kenny has already provided us with the length of the contract that Lappin is after.

My point is, the club should not make an exception for contract lengths after they have already stated that they will never sign anyone to a lengthy contract ever again.


Well how can you call him greedy if you don't know what the offer was that he has apparently rejected?

Look I agree with you in principle I'm just saying that you're casting aspersions when you don't know the facts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:46 pm 
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Blues2005 wrote:
phoenix johnson wrote:
Blues2005 wrote:
Making a few assumptions there, PJ. You don't know what his offer was. If it was shit then maybe he was right to turn it down. How do you know that he's greedy.

I agree that maybe 3 years at this stage seems a bit long. I hope that he signs for a further two years.


Don't need to know the figures.
Kenny has already provided us with the length of the contract that Lappin is after.

My point is, the club should not make an exception for contract lengths after they have already stated that they will never sign anyone to a lengthy contract ever again.


Well how can you call him greedy if you don't know what the offer was that he has apparently rejected?

Look I agree with you in principle I'm just saying that you're casting aspersions when you don't know the facts.


The greedy comment was more in reference to players who have felt they should be getting more i.e Houlihan a year or so ago.

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Over the last 3 years Lappin has been our best and most consistent player. He probably wants payed his dues.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:01 pm 
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No more of this greediness...2 years is enough, otherwise we trade for him. No room for greed. This culture of long contracts needs to end, particularly players aged 25yrs+.

I wasn't too thrilled the club accepting Fev's demand for a 3 year deal cause it creates precedent, and creates problems.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:29 pm 
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Lappin also stayed loyal to the club in our darkest hour. That should not be undervalued. Probably stayed for less than he could have got at Richmond.

Still I understand what you're all saying.....sad situation :cry:

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:39 pm 
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No way would you offer him a 3 year deal. If anything he is already starting to show signs of wear and tear. I think we're about to see just how big Collo's balls really are.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:51 pm 
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Personally, I'm a big believer in asking the question of players on your list re: contracts, "Will Player XYZ be a part of Carlton's next premiership?" If the answer is no, then IMO, they are all but superfluous to our needs.
At 29, if Lappin (despite his magnificent service to our club), if he is going to make waves re: contracts, trade him for maximum gain and move forward.
That said, I'd keep him, as I think he has a brilliant all-round footballer and leads by example very well.
Would be good in a forward line like Adelaide though.....
Fergus Watts?


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I reckon he will stay.
You must admit with everyting thats been going on youd be nervous that youre still playing footy past 30.

Lappin showed commitment to the club in the past and will again.

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