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| Author: | sinbagger [ Wed Jul 30, 2025 11:20 am ] |
| Post subject: | Players attitude and Culture |
I was going to post this in another thread but released we don't; really have one where we discuss one of the big problems of the club, player attitude and culture. Saw this clip in a discussion about Silvagni which sums it up. Our players are so nice to their opposition, contrast this to the footage oft he start of the Swans/Giants game where the players were wrestling, punching, elbowing and even kicking each other in the nuts before the bounce. No wonder other clubs laugh at us and look forward to easy matches against Carlton. Cripps is the nicest captain of the nicest player list in the comp, makes me sick. https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/unthi ... v2-61OzMvz |
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| Author: | Navy One [ Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
We've got to the point where our players don't even get boo'd by opposition supporters anymore. We need 1 or 2 "in your face" smartarses just to get the vibe changing. 1 or 2 tough nuts (Fraser Brown types) would be good as well. Got no one. |
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| Author: | Traveller86 [ Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
I would love Toby Greene at our club, even if he's guaranteed to get suspended every few weeks. |
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| Author: | SurreyBlue [ Wed Jul 30, 2025 1:41 pm ] |
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Look at the difference Hardwick has made to the GC to understand how to fix the issues. |
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| Author: | GWS [ Wed Jul 30, 2025 3:38 pm ] |
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They all have murphitis. |
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| Author: | Drewgirl [ Thu Jul 31, 2025 9:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
GWS wrote: They all have murphitis. Ha Ha Yes. Been saying for a long time now. Our captains are too nice. Murphy, Cripps. They stay out of contract negotiations with players. I mean what. You are a captain. You want the best players at war with you. Cripps is not a leader. He is/was one of the best players, but that is different. Those having a go at comments about players laughing and that its trivial. It actually isnt. Athletes who strive to be the best - hurt when they dont reach successful levels. Anyone competitive will hurt when they dont get what they want. Our players. They just dont care. Dont know why, but they dont appear to. So now it is all too hard for some, so they want to make it easy on themselves elsewhere. Just shows the character of these guys. I am ropeable we are sitting here again. 1st time i am semi detached since i started following Carlton since 1980. Even in our shit years we had excuses with the players we had, but now there are no excuses as we have 2 coleman medalists, a 2 time brownlow medalist. Several all Australians. With these types of players we should not be in this position. Collingwood won a granny with some very average players. But we cant get there with our players. I dont get it anymore. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Thu Jul 31, 2025 10:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
Attitude starts at the President and the board There’s your problem |
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| Author: | GreatEx [ Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:01 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
GreatEx, Freo game thread R21 2025 wrote: One thing I'm curious about, and may deduce from afltables at some point, is how our goalkicking accuracy compares in 1st half vs 2nd half. We've only had one fewer scores in 2h than 1h today but 8.1 vs 2.6 is night and day, and it's definitely not a first. Physically, mentally , we are a joke. Right, so I dug up the numbers. Here's the breakdown... OVERALL RECORD: 217. 215 (i.e. 217 goals, 215 behinds) OVERALL FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 119.109 | 98.106 WINS - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 56.45 | 45.36 LOSSES - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 63.64 | 53.70 So you can see a bit of a trend there - in wins we maintain the same level of accuract in each half; in losses we get noticeably worse in the second half. But what really stands out is if you look at the six - SIX (6)!!! - games that we led at half-time and went on to lose... GAMES LOST IN 2nd HALF - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 38.27 | 15.34 So when games are in the balance, we go to water. These numbers jive very closely with my lived perception. The wins also paint a similar picture - when we were up against easy kills like the first meetings vs. WCE and NM, our kicking improved from first-half (7.11 & 9.5) to second-half (10.8 & 15.4). When we were in hard-fought games like St Kilda and Essendon*, it went to shit (8.6 & 8.6 | 3.5 & 3.6). And in fact, the only reason our overall 1H vs 2H balance isn't more lopsided is because of games where we completely shat the bed first-half and then kicked reasonably well when the game was done (vs. NM second time - 2.7 | 8.6; vs. Port Adelaide 1.6 | 7.6). Browse the game records, witness the number of 2 or 3-goal second halves; remember the games: what emerges is a team whose legs go to jelly when the heat is on. |
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| Author: | Sydney Blue [ Sun Aug 03, 2025 9:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
GreatEx wrote: GreatEx, Freo game thread R21 2025 wrote: One thing I'm curious about, and may deduce from afltables at some point, is how our goalkicking accuracy compares in 1st half vs 2nd half. We've only had one fewer scores in 2h than 1h today but 8.1 vs 2.6 is night and day, and it's definitely not a first. Physically, mentally , we are a joke. Right, so I dug up the numbers. Here's the breakdown... OVERALL RECORD: 217. 215 (i.e. 217 goals, 215 behinds) OVERALL FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 119.109 | 98.106 WINS - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 56.45 | 45.36 LOSSES - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 63.64 | 53.70 So you can see a bit of a trend there - in wins we maintain the same level of accuract in each half; in losses we get noticeably worse in the second half. But what really stands out is if you look at the six - SIX (6)!!! - games that we led at half-time and went on to lose... GAMES LOST IN 2nd HALF - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 38.27 | 15.34 So when games are in the balance, we go to water. These numbers jive very closely with my lived perception. The wins also paint a similar picture - when we were up against easy kills like the first meetings vs. WCE and NM, our kicking improved from first-half (7.11 & 9.5) to second-half (10.8 & 15.4). When we were in hard-fought games like St Kilda and Essendon**, it went to shit (8.6 & 8.6 | 3.5 & 3.6). And in fact, the only reason our overall 1H vs 2H balance isn't more lopsided is because of games where we completely shat the bed first-half and then kicked reasonably well when the game was done (vs. NM second time - 2.7 | 8.6; vs. Port Adelaide 1.6 | 7.6). Browse the game records, witness the number of 2 or 3-goal second halves; remember the games: what emerges is a team whose legs go to jelly when the heat is on. So not only does our kicking turn to shit we give the opposition momentum Sent from my SM-F956B using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | sinbagger [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:04 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
Sydney Blue wrote: GreatEx wrote: GreatEx, Freo game thread R21 2025 wrote: One thing I'm curious about, and may deduce from afltables at some point, is how our goalkicking accuracy compares in 1st half vs 2nd half. We've only had one fewer scores in 2h than 1h today but 8.1 vs 2.6 is night and day, and it's definitely not a first. Physically, mentally , we are a joke. Right, so I dug up the numbers. Here's the breakdown... OVERALL RECORD: 217. 215 (i.e. 217 goals, 215 behinds) OVERALL FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 119.109 | 98.106 WINS - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 56.45 | 45.36 LOSSES - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 63.64 | 53.70 So you can see a bit of a trend there - in wins we maintain the same level of accuract in each half; in losses we get noticeably worse in the second half. But what really stands out is if you look at the six - SIX (6)!!! - games that we led at half-time and went on to lose... GAMES LOST IN 2nd HALF - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 38.27 | 15.34 So when games are in the balance, we go to water. These numbers jive very closely with my lived perception. The wins also paint a similar picture - when we were up against easy kills like the first meetings vs. WCE and NM, our kicking improved from first-half (7.11 & 9.5) to second-half (10.8 & 15.4). When we were in hard-fought games like St Kilda and Essendon***, it went to shit (8.6 & 8.6 | 3.5 & 3.6). And in fact, the only reason our overall 1H vs 2H balance isn't more lopsided is because of games where we completely shat the bed first-half and then kicked reasonably well when the game was done (vs. NM second time - 2.7 | 8.6; vs. Port Adelaide 1.6 | 7.6). Browse the game records, witness the number of 2 or 3-goal second halves; remember the games: what emerges is a team whose legs go to jelly when the heat is on. So not only does our kicking turn to shit we give the opposition momentum Sent from my SM-F956B using Tapatalk And there you have it, our players are very comfortable with losing and underperforming when under pressure. It's the culture that is now been taught to Moir, HOF, Carroll, White, etc |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
sinbagger wrote: Sydney Blue wrote: GreatEx wrote: GreatEx, Freo game thread R21 2025 wrote: One thing I'm curious about, and may deduce from afltables at some point, is how our goalkicking accuracy compares in 1st half vs 2nd half. We've only had one fewer scores in 2h than 1h today but 8.1 vs 2.6 is night and day, and it's definitely not a first. Physically, mentally , we are a joke. Right, so I dug up the numbers. Here's the breakdown... OVERALL RECORD: 217. 215 (i.e. 217 goals, 215 behinds) OVERALL FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 119.109 | 98.106 WINS - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 56.45 | 45.36 LOSSES - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 63.64 | 53.70 So you can see a bit of a trend there - in wins we maintain the same level of accuract in each half; in losses we get noticeably worse in the second half. But what really stands out is if you look at the six - SIX (6)!!! - games that we led at half-time and went on to lose... GAMES LOST IN 2nd HALF - FIRST-HALF vs SECOND-HALF: 38.27 | 15.34 So when games are in the balance, we go to water. These numbers jive very closely with my lived perception. The wins also paint a similar picture - when we were up against easy kills like the first meetings vs. WCE and NM, our kicking improved from first-half (7.11 & 9.5) to second-half (10.8 & 15.4). When we were in hard-fought games like St Kilda and Essendon****, it went to shit (8.6 & 8.6 | 3.5 & 3.6). And in fact, the only reason our overall 1H vs 2H balance isn't more lopsided is because of games where we completely shat the bed first-half and then kicked reasonably well when the game was done (vs. NM second time - 2.7 | 8.6; vs. Port Adelaide 1.6 | 7.6). Browse the game records, witness the number of 2 or 3-goal second halves; remember the games: what emerges is a team whose legs go to jelly when the heat is on. So not only does our kicking turn to shit we give the opposition momentum Sent from my SM-F956B using Tapatalk And there you have it, our players are very comfortable with losing and underperforming when under pressure. It's the culture that is now been taught to Moir, HOF, Carroll, White, etc How do we get rid of that loser mentality ? |
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| Author: | CK95 [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 11:54 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
sinbagger wrote: And there you have it, our players are very comfortable with losing and underperforming when under pressure. It's the culture that is now been taught to Moir, HOF, Carroll, White, etc The latter 3 grew up barracking for us so it was in their DNA even before they played a game  Sent from my moto g54 5G using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Dodo27 [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
The Player's attitude is part of the Poor Culture we have had at this Club since the Early 2000's. There were rumors yesterday circling around the Carlton online Community that many Carlton Players were fed up with SOS and his attitude, being demanding, fussy, unreasonable and a total Jerk. That's even before the trade meetings with Collingwood began. I doubt if this is True, but i wouldn't be surprised if few Senior players are walking to the Club & the change rooms with an attitude that lacks respect and responsibility. This has to change... We are Sick & Tired of Players earning Millions and giving nothing in Return. NO Friggin Silvagni Family or whoever is bigger than the Club. You don't want to be here? Good, than pack your bags and Get the **** out of here. This goes to TDK, Currnow and anyone else who doesn't want to bleed for this Club. The Board also needs to understand that this is a Football Club with Passionate supporters and not a Business to make a profit from. They need to fix their Attitude as well. So Friggin Over it & Over this diabolic Club 
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| Author: | malbi [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Players attitude and Culture |
It's interesting that the clubs that are trying to steal our players are now having their own internal rumblings. St Kilda which wants TDK is having trouble keeping Wanganeen-Milera from going home to SA. Marshall is considering his options given he'll lose the number 1 ruck position and now Steele is not happy with not getting game time. Collingwood which is courting JSOS is having their own troubles satisfying Mihocek, Elliott, Howe and Cameron who all want better pay and length of contract. Could that be affecting their culture and cause them to drop three games out of the last four? Curse those clubs that want to steal our players. They deserve to pay. Sent from my SM-S931B using Tapatalk |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 4:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
malbi wrote: It's interesting that the clubs that are trying to steal our players are now having their own internal rumblings. St Kilda which wants TDK is having trouble keeping Wanganeen-Milera from going home to SA. Marshall is considering his options given he'll lose the number 1 ruck position and now Steele is not happy with not getting game time. Collingwood which is courting JSOS is having their own troubles satisfying Mihocek, Elliott, Howe and Cameron who all want better pay and length of contract. Could that be affecting their culture and cause them to drop three games out of the last four? Curse those clubs that want to steal our players. They deserve to pay. Sent from my SM-S931B using Tapatalk Aint a rumour its a fact . The SOS dominoe effect . SOS in his crazy desire to destrow our Club is actually going to destrow the Club he now works for and even better he is going to destroy his own sons new Club . |
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| Author: | GreatEx [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 6:35 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
So it's 4D chess, making our players want out so they can unsettle others. Brilliant, Wrighty, brilliant! Collingwood have claimed they're on increased training loads in preparation for September. Not sure how much of a thing that is, but I'm more inclined to believe that than the Silvagni Flutterby Effect. Witness the way they ground to a halt against Freo after getting 4 goals up early in Q4. |
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| Author: | Mickstar [ Mon Aug 04, 2025 10:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
GreatEx wrote: So it's 4D chess, making our players want out so they can unsettle others. Brilliant, Wrighty, brilliant! Collingwood have claimed they're on increased training loads in preparation for September. Not sure how much of a thing that is, but I'm more inclined to believe that than the Silvagni Flutterby Effect. Witness the way they ground to a halt against Freo after getting 4 goals up early in Q4. Its sorta like for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction . Some call it Newtons Law , I call it the SOS dominos effect . Bit of butterfly affect thrown in for good measure . Lucky Wright aint a panic merchant . |
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| Author: | london blue [ Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
Would not be surprised if J Bartel plays a key role next year |
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| Author: | Effes [ Tue Aug 05, 2025 9:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
london blue wrote: Would not be surprised if J Bartel plays a key role next year Can only go on what we hear in his media appearances but would seem to be a good addition. https://x.com/UptheBaggers/status/1947142562583826696 |
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| Author: | Heavs [ Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:59 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Players attitude and Culture |
I don't want to go full Rambo Stallone - because in the scheme of things they don't make you tougher - but is there any fear we could recruit a couple blokes with some arm sleeves? I swear we must ask in player interviews 'do you now, or do you have any plans to ever get tattoo's and then just redline the blokes that say yes'. |
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