Stevens realises the importance of the PP to the club, and has taken his foot off the accelerator accordingly.
Good to see someone showing some leadership!
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| Author: | keogh [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:39 pm ] |
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For a class player.Stevens effort after quarter time was ordinary.He must have an injury or just goes missing.The midfield with the exception of Bentick were poor all round Bentick reminds me of Kirk.Can play the boy and another full pre season should see him become a regular. Leadership issues need to be addressed in the draft.Pick guys with mongrel in them. Positives Waite,Bentick,Simpson,Lappin Negatives Longmuir,McGrath,Morrell. We also need a quality ruckman.Lade smashed us.How's Daniel Batson going?And a running tagger.I thought Chambers did a reasonable job on Burgoyne.Who was on him in the first half.He kept them in the game. Fisher will get more quality opponents as his reputation grows.I think he will be up to the task. Not a bad effort but our senior guys didnt show enough leadership when it counted late. |
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| Author: | Wild Blue Yonder [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:41 pm ] |
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mmm, lots of space to fill in there. |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:41 pm ] |
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Bentick had Burgoyen in Q1 before giving up 11 possies & 3 goals meant he had to be moved. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 2:48 pm ] |
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Who was Stevens on ?I thought you would have to play a quick player on Burgoyne. |
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| Author: | Cyclonus [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:07 pm ] |
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Stevens realises the importance of the PP to the club, and has taken his foot off the accelerator accordingly. Good to see someone showing some leadership!
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| Author: | Beantown [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:19 pm ] |
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Stevens was opposed to perhaps the games best tagger in Kane Cornes. Cornes has held better player than Nick to worse days than that. |
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| Author: | darknavy [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:45 pm ] |
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keogh wrote: Negatives Longmuir,McGrath,Morrell.
What was wrong with McGraths game - I thought that he did a reasonable job most of the day. He is still a very very young and inexperienced player - just played 55 games - Next year is his year of reckoning in my books. |
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| Author: | Rhys26 [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 3:53 pm ] |
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darknavy wrote: What was wrong with McGraths game - I thought that he did a reasonable job most of the day. He is still a very very young and inexperienced player - just played 55 games - Next year is his year of reckoning in my books.
Actually I thought he played a really good game. One of his better games for the club |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:18 pm ] |
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Well, he has played 16 games this year so he's got a fan in Pagan. His stats are down on last year but he is playing more as a BPthan before, and it wasn't his man who won the game for Port, nor stole many goals. I think he went well. The big surprise for me are those who love Longmuir. I think we've been that starved of marking forwards that we get all excited when someone takes a contested mark. Longmuir's played 10 games this year, arguably suffucient opportunity, yet is having his worst year stat-wise and kicking 1 goal a game on average. Yes, OP pre-season I hear you say, but is this the sort of return we want from a forward? Not me -I hope someone else gets a go this week. |
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| Author: | Locke [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 4:24 pm ] |
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I've said it before and I will say it again. McGrath is not a very good player. Tends to panic under pressure and just bomb the ball long. Doesnt have very good vision and for someone who is supposedly quick and supposedly has a long kick he should run and break the lines more often. Far from our worst this year though. |
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| Author: | keogh [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:18 pm ] |
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Stevens had 5 possessions after quarter time.I dont care who is on him that isnt good enough.As seen last week,when given space he looks a world beater,but put under pressure from a tagger simply doesn't get enough ball.If there is a change in the captaincy lets hope he doesn't get it.As for McGrath,yes he has played 55 games,but the guy is 27 next year and I would rather us blood a younger player in that position.At his age McGrath has probably reached his peak.I dont question his endeavour,but I just fel there may be better options. |
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| Author: | TruBlueBrad [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:42 pm ] |
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What was going on with Stevens hair? |
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| Author: | Mrs Caz [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:06 pm ] |
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The hair was far worse than his game TBB 
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| Author: | phoenix johnson [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:11 pm ] |
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I loved his new hair do. |
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| Author: | amazonstud [ Mon Aug 08, 2005 9:35 pm ] |
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I was surprised that Cornes was not penalised more often for holding off the ball against Stevens. I think it emphasises that we need a couple of bigger bodied players on ball to take out the taggers. It's been a big controversy in the media about the better players not being given a fair go and how with 3 umpires one should notice a star player being held, his run impeded, and an opposition player not caring about the ball only about stopping him from having an even chance of getting to the ball. At the Blues Stevens is the player to whom the opposition assign their best tagger. I have been watching the tagging of Stevens for the last few weeks and he is getting frustrated but we don't have the numbers to change that situation at present. Dennis is taking Stevens and his tagger out of the centre square and playing him across the wing and half forward and trying to use Stevens pace to break the tag. To cover for the loss of Stevens on ball Dennis and the MC have been trying to use Bentick and Carrazzo at the cxentre bounce. It worked for a while but then Port re-arranged their centre bounce group and ruck set up and started to get the ball out of the centre. I thought that Dennis also use the game to shuffle players around and the MC got to assess a few players before the trading and delisting period. |
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| Author: | Aphrodite [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 12:36 am ] |
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Mrs Caz wrote: The hair was far worse than his game TBB
What a shocker Mrs C ....... 
He should sue his hairdresser 
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| Author: | keogh [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:29 am ] |
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I acknowledge the fact that the umps dont pick up the unfair tactics In the end if Stevens cant get help then take matters into your own hands Greg Williiams style. |
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| Author: | Blue Bird [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:51 am ] |
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amazonstud wrote: I was surprised that Cornes was not penalised more often for holding off the ball against Stevens. I think it emphasises that we need a couple of bigger bodied players on ball to take out the taggers.
It's been a big controversy in the media about the better players not being given a fair go and how with 3 umpires one should notice a star player being held, his run impeded, and an opposition player not caring about the ball only about stopping him from having an even chance of getting to the ball. At the Blues Stevens is the player to whom the opposition assign their best tagger. I have been watching the tagging of Stevens for the last few weeks and he is getting frustrated but we don't have the numbers to change that situation at present. Dennis is taking Stevens and his tagger out of the centre square and playing him across the wing and half forward and trying to use Stevens pace to break the tag. To cover for the loss of Stevens on ball Dennis and the MC have been trying to use Bentick and Carrazzo at the cxentre bounce. It worked for a while but then Port re-arranged their centre bounce group and ruck set up and started to get the ball out of the centre. I thought that Dennis also use the game to shuffle players around and the MC got to assess a few players before the trading and delisting period. Come on Ammo we all know its only Tarrant who gets that sort of treatment. 
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| Author: | scottopee [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:36 pm ] |
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amazonstud wrote: I was surprised that Cornes was not penalised more often for holding off the ball against Stevens. I think it emphasises that we need a couple of bigger bodied players on ball to take out the taggers.
It's been a big controversy in the media about the better players not being given a fair go and how with 3 umpires one should notice a star player being held, his run impeded, and an opposition player not caring about the ball only about stopping him from having an even chance of getting to the ball. At the Blues Stevens is the player to whom the opposition assign their best tagger. I have been watching the tagging of Stevens for the last few weeks and he is getting frustrated but we don't have the numbers to change that situation at present. Dennis is taking Stevens and his tagger out of the centre square and playing him across the wing and half forward and trying to use Stevens pace to break the tag. To cover for the loss of Stevens on ball Dennis and the MC have been trying to use Bentick and Carrazzo at the cxentre bounce. It worked for a while but then Port re-arranged their centre bounce group and ruck set up and started to get the ball out of the centre. I thought that Dennis also use the game to shuffle players around and the MC got to assess a few players before the trading and delisting period. Here we go again Sorry Ammo totally dissagree. Stevens big bad tagging group this year include Hodge Bell Coughlan twice Crawford Goodwin Carr Cross which is hardly an intimadating group of tagers. Then the run with group (who still try and get the footy) Peverill Lucuria Ling and then the tagging group of McDonald Baker Stenglein Ablett KCornes and the that big nasty TSelwood! Out of the taggers he would have only beaten McDonald when getting 10? disposals in Pagan called "junk time" after we came good in the last 1/4 against Melbourne is that really a win? He has been embarrased twice by Kane Cornes who I don't think holds at all when tagging. What Cornes does is stands infront opponent gets the footy first gives it off then gets back to his opponent he is the best at this going around the AFL. Stevens has let 9 opponents rack up 25 disposals or more in a game including Hodge with 34 Coughlan 38 Carr 32 Licuria 35 and my guess is 16 out of his 19 opponents would have been in the oppositions best players. In 10 games this year his opponent has had more of the ball if they were all taggers why are they getting more of it? Personally I would say Stevens has only really easily beaten 1 opponent this year and that was 2 weeks ago against Coughlan otherwise he has broken even or been easily beaten. Seems to me clubs either tag Stevens and they know he struggles or they go head to head because they know who plays on him will have a good game. For the last 10 weeks the excuse has been he must be injured or he was sick then he played 2 good games and then everyone says he looks fine now and then after another bad game the excuses start up for him again. Look Stevens is a very good player and we need him up and firing but at the end of the day I don't think he is the A Grade player everyone thinks we were getting or think we have got. To me he is a very good 3rd midfielder at a club not the no.1 who really should play on a wing because of the way he plays and I've coverd that before. For a so called A grade player he has never made an All Australian team and won't again this year while being in his prime. When will the excuses stop for him because everyone else in this side has been smashed on here? |
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| Author: | Blue Vain [ Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:08 pm ] |
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Highest average possessions per game at Carlton this year. Top 5 in kicks, handballs AND tackles. Had 18 handballs against Adelaide (his career high) 8 tackles against Collingwood this year (another career high) 4 goals against Richmond this year (another career high) 12 inside 50 against Collingwood this year (another career high) 17 rebound 50s against Port this year (another career high) As a matter of fact, since Stevens has been at Carlton, he has had career high stats in kicks, handballs, tackles, goals, frees for, contested possessions, clearances, inside 50s, rebound 50s, long kicks and bounces. Runner up in the John Nicholls medal in 2004 besides missing the first 2 games with suspension. Top 3 in Ports B&F twice, Michael Tuck medallist. Top 10 in the AFL for centre bounce clearances. If he's not one of our A graders, care to tell us who they are? |
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