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| Author: | Wolfe [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:05 pm ] |
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With all this debate on if we should do what we can to get Draft picks or not i am seeing isnt healthy.. I do assure that everyone still is fully in support of the Blues even though there maybe differing opinions. Though i believ it is in the best interest for the Blues to try this year to get the best possible Picks i will never also be critical of someone wanting the team to win as many possible games. The Problem is not the Teams who are in a no - win situation it is the AFL for creating a situation which rewards either wining the Premiership for he glory on that last day in September - the Holy Grail we all want or now we have reward for finishing last which are the draft concessions. This would have to be one of the few Sporting competitions that rewards the bottom teams with a carrot of wining less than 5 games you get a big Prize. This is ludicrous but please dont criticise clubs which have to be tempted to get this prize. Blame the AFL for putting such a stupid system in place. Stan Alves did write a good article in the sun and one fact is true every year for the past 6 that teams are under 5 or 6 wins depending on the qualifing requirement have remained there till the end of the season even when oppertunities allowed them to move up from the bottom position For people who cant understand how bad this system is currently i am sure most of the people on the forum are in a tipping competion though any other example would prove the same point If a tipping competion had 16 Spots 1st Prize : $300 - Glory for being the best tipper 2nd Prize $150 - Second status Places 3-15 - Nothing 16th Spot - $200 reward for coming last Do you think all those people who had there tips in say slot 11-16 wouldnt all try for the bottom spot. You could come up with any analogy with the same result why give such a reward for coming last with a if you win less than X amount .. i cant think of how this is good for any sport where you want each year all teams to do there best to get the best result. So instead of all people on TC having shots at each other or saying who is wrong or right it is the system in place that should have people focusing there anger on. If this system was not in place we wouldnt have this problem for the last 6 years. And we should not blame teams who try and exploit it. Change the system and problem will not longer be relevent. I 100% agree with people who want the team to win every week ... This is what it should be but unfortunately against everything that should be i can see the benfits of us getting such a lucritive prize that AFL has put into place. |
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| Author: | Blake [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:15 pm ] |
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it would be better for us to get the PP than winning, but i can see why some peeps wnat to bathe in the short glory, and not the glory of winning our first premiership since 95 |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:26 pm ] |
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NO!!! If we argue against the PP, we'll lose our chance to grab an extra star when we tank in 2006! |
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| Author: | Shakin77 [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:50 pm ] |
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We all know that the fixture is not even for all teams so how about the AFL reward PP's on the first 15 games of the season only. - That way everyone has played each other once. (Fair for all) - PP decisions will be decided after round 15 so you won't get all the "tank" talk for the last 6-7 rounds. - Sides that have "easy draws" (Like Carlton: Essendon*, Collingwood and Hawthorn twice) will not be disadvantaged. - Team's wouldn't put players out for operations so early in the season - We could belt the Pies and Bombers in the last couple of rounds and we would all be happy about it. |
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| Author: | Wolfe [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:09 pm ] |
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Well i for one Mosely would be happy if they removed this silly system which gives you such a good reward for Mediocrity but even worse that forces a team to debate within itself to win more or loose more than 5 games. THis game was never designed for people to have to debate the merits of wanting a side to loose for the sake of a few Picks. But the Chance of getting relativcely quick recovery cause teams / supporters to have to contemplate the reality that loosing is better than wining. If we keep this silly system it has to be over 2-3 years or have some random possibility so that it will be a harder decision for teams to decide that wining less than 5 games in one year beneifts the team to such a great extent. If in a real world you were so bad that on merit you got those picks fair enough. But the system as it stands is open to be fully exploited ... Lets say West caost next year suffered 5-10 key injuries to there list Judd / Cox / COusins / Fletcher / Kerr / Embly ect so they had up until round 18 one 5 games should they be rewarded by getting PP's and great grab at the PSD knowing that next year they will bounce back with still a very good list and then by wining less in one year they get the bonus Picks. Even in recent times Melbourne has been able to exploit the system every second year by having a good year play Finals then drop back to i think in one year with less than 5 wins lol how ludicrous is this ... so again i dont blame the clubs the system is there and is open to be exploited |
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| Author: | TheGame [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:14 pm ] |
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Why would we want to remove a system that we are most likely going to benefit from for the next few years? |
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| Author: | camel [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:55 pm ] |
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molsey wrote: NO!!!
If we argue against the PP, we'll lose our chance to grab an extra star when we tank in 2006! IMO the PP in its current form will be gone in 2006 anyway. Since the PP has been in place no team has ever won 6 games. |
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| Author: | molsey [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:58 pm ] |
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hey camel are you missing a word in that last line of yours? I was told a while ago that the decision had already been made (to remove the PP's) but there were afew factors which meant 2005 wasn't the right year! Not entirely confident of my source but it's clear that the ANZ disapprove of all the PP press, they hate it. I think the PP should have been an extra second rounder frmo the start; far less influential but still rewards the right recruiter. |
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| Author: | Wolfe [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:02 pm ] |
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ANd that pretty well sums it up does anyone seriously think this debate and dvision of wanting to loose and win would exist if the draft order was 16th - 1 / 17 15th - 2 / 18 14th - 3 / 19 13th - 4 / 20 Ect Instead of 16th - 1 / 4 / 20 15th - 2 / 5 / 21 14th - 3 / 6 / 22 13th - 7 / 23 It is nuts too think a team wont go for the below senario .. again not the clubs fault it is the system and the day it changes we wont have a senario for any team that decides the merits of wining more or less than 5 games |
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| Author: | The Tyrant [ Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:44 pm ] |
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*shakes fist* |
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