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100 Game Players

This years top Four
"Of the current top four, Sydney boasts the most 100-plus game players, with 16, Adelaide has 13, West Coast 12 and St Kilda 11, meaning all measure up to the experience requirement Parkin's report set out."

Carlton 9

But look who they are: Camporeale, Clarke, Fevola, French, Houlihan, Koutoufides, Lappin, Stevens and Whitnall.

Several of those may not be on our list next year.

Reading those stats, it just goes to show that they are not always a clear indication of what the truth is. Based purely on those figures, we are a player or two away from being a premiership contender. What a load of hooey !!

We are miles off the pace and won't catch up for another 3-4 years. Hopefully by then, we will have been able to bring to the club a raft of talented players plus some who address the major deficiencies in our onfield line-up.

I know you love a stat Jarusa but it's about time you stopped trying to brainwash the rank & file nuff-nuff into believing that we are something that we are clearly not. Sitting in 16th position on the ladder mean anything here ??

Really the only stats you need to know are premiership sides have lots of very good players.

99- Carey, Archer, Stevens, Grant etc
2000- Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Long, Johnson, Hardwick etc
2001-2003- Voss, Black, Lappin, Aker, Michael, Lynch etc
2004- Tredrea, Cornes', Burgoynes, Pickett, Carr, Dew etc

But according to that Hulme and Franchina are exactly what we need right now cos theyre an extra two players in our 100 game club midfield rotation along with Clarke...

Just making a point that some of these statistics are garbage!!!

You can bring out statistics to illustrate anything ....but it doesnt mean theyre right.
Jarusa style statistics just tells me he is a modern day Erich von Daniken doing his own TC version of 'Chariots of the Gods'

Deano Supremo said it... "Cooney Griffen and Minson can lead them to a flag".. about the Doggies..

Yet cracked the shits when it was pointed out to him 2 of the 3 are priority picks. :lol:

Jarusa does love a stat.
Jarusa views football through stats... but not all of them mind you.. just the silly ones.

For example he never has illustrated when was the last time a club that has had a percentage of around 70% for four years straight has won the flag without early picks...

I like to win meaningful games and read meaningful stats .

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:54 am ]
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interesting article in TheAge today: http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/real ... 83150.html They have some criteria towards the end of the article for recent premiership sides. Lets have a look at how the current Carlton list compares. 10 Players Averaging More than 15 Possessions a Game During the Season Carlton 8 - Stevens, Camporeale, Koutoufides, Scotland, Lappin, Houlihan Carrazzo, Bentick The past five premiersâ€™ leading goalkickers scored at least 50 goals by round 22. Fev on 47 end of round 21. Age and Experience Carlton Round 21 Average age 24 Average Games 72 2000 Essendon* Average age: 24 Average games: 73 2001 BRISBANE LIONS Average age: 23 Average games: 73 2002 BRISBANE LIONS Average age: 24 Average games: 89 2003 BRISBANE LIONS Average age: 24 Average games: 98 2004 PORT ADELAIDE Average age (on grand final day): 24 Average games (on grand final day): 79 100 Game Players This years top Four "Of the current top four, Sydney boasts the most 100-plus game players, with 16, Adelaide has 13, West Coast 12 and St Kilda 11, meaning all measure up to the experience requirement Parkin's report set out." Carlton 9 But look who they are: Camporeale, Clarke, Fevola, French, Houlihan, Koutoufides, Lappin, Stevens and Whitnall. Several of those may not be on our list next year.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:04 am ]
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We pretty much have a premiership side at the moment ...

Author:	verbs [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:05 am ]
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Jarusa wrote: 100 Game Players This years top Four "Of the current top four, Sydney boasts the most 100-plus game players, with 16, Adelaide has 13, West Coast 12 and St Kilda 11, meaning all measure up to the experience requirement Parkin's report set out." Carlton 9 But look who they are: Camporeale, Clarke, Fevola, French, Houlihan, Koutoufides, Lappin, Stevens and Whitnall. Several of those may not be on our list next year. I discussed this on another Carlton message board a few months ago. 100+ game players is a key factor in winning a premiersip. When you consider many have discussed Camporeale, Clarke, Houlihan, Koutoufides, Lappin and Whitnall going, it is clear we are a long way off any kind of premiership threat. Our middle tier of Thornton, Livingston, Waite, Fisher etc as well as a couple of the newbies, needs to be a foundation upon which we build. Most of them are at least two+ years off reaching the 100 game mark.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:09 am ]
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verbs mate.. if you think all you need to do is nurse a bunch of players to 100 games and youll win a premiership youre kidding... You need to get a bunch of talented kids to 100 games and then you might win a premiership. Scarey to think at stKilda Luke Ball, Kosi ,Dal Santo ,Riewoldt,McGuire Ã re not there yet...

Author:	verbs [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:20 am ]
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Your on the ball as usual Jarusa, but one thing I forgot to mention was that Wayne Carey yesterday on Fox Footy said people didn't realise just how much luck is involved in winning a premiership. I found that to be a very intriguing comment. In the article, Sheedy mentions that if Barry Hall was to get injured, Sydney would have no chance. Bad luck is the reason StKilda are being written off by many, which is what prompted Carey's comment.

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Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:39 am ]
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Its all about luck now not talent....

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:44 am ]
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Good players.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:16 am ]
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No we have been the luckiest club thats why we have won the most flags... Carlton = Historically luckiest club ever!!!......

Author:	TheSheik [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:17 am ]
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Reading those stats, it just goes to show that they are not always a clear indication of what the truth is. Based purely on those figures, we are a player or two away from being a premiership contender. What a load of hooey !! We are miles off the pace and won't catch up for another 3-4 years. Hopefully by then, we will have been able to bring to the club a raft of talented players plus some who address the major deficiencies in our onfield line-up. I know you love a stat Jarusa but it's about time you stopped trying to brainwash the rank & file nuff-nuff into believing that we are something that we are clearly not. Sitting in 16th position on the ladder mean anything here ??

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:19 am ]
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Those average ages though would surely be the entire list and not the senior side.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:22 am ]
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Deano Supremo said it... "Cooney Griffen and Minson can lead them to a flag".. about the Doggies.. Yet cracked the shits when it was pointed out to him 2 of the 3 are priority picks. Jarusa does love a stat. Jarusa views football through stats... but not all of them mind you.. just the silly ones. For example he never has illustrated when was the last time a club that has had a percentage of around 70% for four years straight has won the flag without early picks... I like to win meaningful games and read meaningful stats .

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:24 am ]
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Surely you can't count Clarke as one of the 100+ players, given he's barely played in the seniors this year. Synbad, I understand what you're saying, but for once, can you just let the thread run its course, and resist mocking every second post? It's getting really boring.

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:28 am ]
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TheSheik wrote: Reading those stats, it just goes to show that they are not always a clear indication of what the truth is. Based purely on those figures, we are a player or two away from being a premiership contender. What a load of hooey !! We are miles off the pace and won't catch up for another 3-4 years. Hopefully by then, we will have been able to bring to the club a raft of talented players plus some who address the major deficiencies in our onfield line-up. I know you love a stat Jarusa but it's about time you stopped trying to brainwash the rank & file nuff-nuff into believing that we are something that we are clearly not. Sitting in 16th position on the ladder mean anything here ?? Please show me anywhere in that post where I gave any commentary about how far away those stats put Carlton from a premiership? Making statements like you just have makes you look foolish Sheik. I did not give my opinion in the original post as I was interested in seeing other people's opinions. In my opinion these numbers say a couple of things. The factors cited in the Age article are pretty poor indicators, especially the average age and experience figures. Looking at specific factors such as the 100 game criteria, Carlton is a long way behind. No surpirses there. Feel free to continue living in your fantasy world, it is entertaining for all concerned.

Author:	The Tyrant [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:29 am ]
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Rhyce Shaw gets a lot of possessions but is shit. By "luck", maybe Carey means "spark"... "x-factor".... the kind of players that can produce magic when its needed. You can get a guy like Griffen spinning around 3 blokes and delivering lace out 16 times.... or someone like Ben Johnson or Rhyce Shaw who tries hard, gets 20 touches but doesn't make the opposition hurt... and will never snap freakish goals, or turn a game because of their presence, like Cooney did a few weeks ago. There's no set structure. I think you need experience, but you also need x-factor. Its not easy to find players who have that missing link

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Author:	TheGame [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:31 am ]
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Really the only stats you need to know are premiership sides have lots of very good players. 99- Carey, Archer, Stevens, Grant etc 2000- Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Long, Johnson, Hardwick etc 2001-2003- Voss, Black, Lappin, Aker, Michael, Lynch etc 2004- Tredrea, Cornes', Burgoynes, Pickett, Carr, Dew etc

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:33 am ]
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But according to that Hulme and Franchina are exactly what we need right now cos theyre an extra two players in our 100 game club midfield rotation along with Clarke... Just making a point that some of these statistics are garbage!!! You can bring out statistics to illustrate anything ....but it doesnt mean theyre right. Jarusa style statistics just tells me he is a modern day Erich von Daniken doing his own TC version of 'Chariots of the Gods'

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:36 am ]
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Synbad wrote: But according to that Hulme and Franchina are exactly what we need right now cos theyre an extra two players in our 100 game club midfield rotation along with Clarke... Just making a point that some of these statistics are garbage!!! You can bring out statistics to illustrate anything ....but it doesnt mean theyre right. Jarusa style statistics just tells me he is a modern day Erich von Daniken doing his own TC version of 'Chariots of the Gods' Synbad, as I mentioned to Sheik I initially offered no commentary on those stats, and to me those stats support the fact that the 'stat indicators for premierships' are rubbish and that we are a long way off. If you think those stats mean we are close to winning a premiership you need some more Ritalin.

Author:	The Tyrant [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:37 am ]
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TheGame wrote: Really the only stats you need to know are premiership sides have lots of very good players. 99- Carey, Archer, Stevens, Grant etc 2000- Hird, Lloyd, Fletcher, Long, Johnson, Hardwick etc 2001-2003- Voss, Black, Lappin, Aker, Michael, Lynch etc 2004- Tredrea, Cornes', Burgoynes, Pickett, Carr, Dew etc thats true..... The Crows weren't great during the season, but because they are some genuine superstar talents, like Jarman, McLeod etc etc... they could get over some opposition that didn't gel on that day.

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Sun Aug 21, 2005 10:42 am ]
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Synbad wrote: Deano Supremo said it... "Cooney Griffen and Minson can lead them to a flag".. about the Doggies.. Yet cracked the shits when it was pointed out to him 2 of the 3 are priority picks. Jarusa does love a stat. Jarusa views football through stats... but not all of them mind you.. just the silly ones. For example he never has illustrated when was the last time a club that has had a percentage of around 70% for four years straight has won the flag without early picks... I like to win meaningful games and read meaningful stats . I only cracked the shits 'cos you lead one of the few threads on this bloody board that isn't about priority bloody picks into a discussion about priority bloody picks. Change the record Synbad, this one's broken.