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So you would pay them what they want?
Sets a dangerous precedent.

What does happen is you do finish low again and you do get another very early pick next year.
Youll also find that you will trade for players we want.. (cos we can do that when were last)... we want young players from other clubs that fit a profile...

Dont need blood suckers around the club...

We have a few of those..

Don't you think that a side losing around 600 games of experience all at once is going to feel it pretty hard?

Don't you think that any footy club whether top or bottom of the ladder needs some experienced bodies in the side?

Lance cant handle the pressure of being a top liner consistently.
All of the above want alot of money.

The club cant pay them what they want because the club is in a perilous financial state.

I think the players will be replaced one way or another ... the club will pay close to the minimum and save some dosh.

The club isnt going anywhere with those players and those players arent taking the club anywhere...

Can we fast forward these next few years please. :oops:

You don't get held to ransom over their demands, you find some sort of compromise. The club shouldn't just pay them what they want but at the same time they should not be stupid enough in my opinion by helping create a situation where they are effectively forcing all 3 players out..

Don't you think that a side losing around 600 games of experience all at once is going to feel it pretty hard? Don't you think that any footy club whether top or bottom of the ladder needs some experienced bodies in the side?

2006... the club is last with these guys in the team.
so far Campo Lappin and Lance have done nothing to turn around the tide.
Campo is a soft receiver and shows NO leadership.
Lappin has done nothing to underline that he is worth giving a 3 year to.
Lance cant handle the pressure of being a top liner consistently.
All of the above want alot of money.

The club cant pay them what they want because the club is in a perilous financial state.

I think the players will be replaced one way or another ... the club will pay close to the minimum and save some dosh.

The club isnt going anywhere with those players and those players arent taking the club anywhere...

Author:	Synbad [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:36 am ]
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Lappin Lance and Campo are all huge chances to not be at Carlton next year. Lance will be traded and a couple of clubs have shown interest.. wont be at the club next year. Campo... huge chance to be gone.. has been offered a one year contract but wants 2x 400 Lappin has agreed to $$$$$ but still wants 3 years.. (wont happen) I thought Kouta took a decrease in wages to help the club but he has only had another defermant and a year extension.. will be on around 900k to a mill.. the club has asked for him to take a decrease in his wages to which he has refused. The problem is we know we will finish low so revenue will be less than expected and the club cant afford the wages.... They dont mind paying to bring in a player who will take the club forward but with Kouta being a great servant but shot knees he cant help us any longer.... Will have the acid appliedon him.. id like to see him do the right thing and help the club when it most needs his help.

Author:	Blues2005 [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:00 am ]
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I reckon losing Campo, Lance and Lappin all at once isn't necessarily the way to go and will hit us hard. I'm not so against losing the individuals but for all their shortcomings they are about the only really experienced players we have, plus Kouta who you wouldn't think would go beyond next year at the absolute longest.. Losing say Lance, Lappin and Campo rids of of about 600 or so games of experience which is a fair chunk to take out of a side all at one time. You need some experience in the side and running around with a bunch of 22 year olds who are still inexperienced whilst a romantic sort of idea might be counter-productive..

Author:	Synbad [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:04 am ]
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So you would pay them what they want? Sets a dangerous precedent. What does happen is you do finish low again and you do get another very early pick next year. Youll also find that you will trade for players we want.. (cos we can do that when were last)... we want young players from other clubs that fit a profile... Dont need blood suckers around the club... We have a few of those..

Author:	malbi [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:25 am ]
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Although I don't agree with paying these players their current demands I would still like to see them at the club. They are each still in our better 10 players and losing this experience is going to mean another year down the bottom of the ladder. Good Carlton supporters are dying without seeing a resurgent Carlton. What can we do to ease their pain as they slip out of this life into the next?

Author:	Blues2005 [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:41 am ]
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Synbad wrote: So you would pay them what they want? Sets a dangerous precedent. What does happen is you do finish low again and you do get another very early pick next year. Youll also find that you will trade for players we want.. (cos we can do that when were last)... we want young players from other clubs that fit a profile... Dont need blood suckers around the club... We have a few of those.. You don't get held to ransom over their demands, you find some sort of compromise. The club shouldn't just pay them what they want but at the same time they should not be stupid enough in my opinion by helping create a situation where they are effectively forcing all 3 players out.. Don't you think that a side losing around 600 games of experience all at once is going to feel it pretty hard? Don't you think that any footy club whether top or bottom of the ladder needs some experienced bodies in the side?

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Author:	Ponkstar [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:43 am ]
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Synbad do you subscribe to the view that we will struggle to reach the minimum amount under the salary cap next year? Given that there is probablt only one chance at a big fish through the PSD that will command big bucks, do you think we'll need to keep one of the two fat cats (ie Campo or Kouta) around to make sure that we will meet the minimum? Also, does anyone know if Campo will be eligible for the veteran's list next year? I wonder a bit whether although we may be better off without these two clogging uo the club's eftpos machine, we may have to hang onto their fat contracts due to TPP requirements. It's not exactly like anyone else deserves a huge pay increase...

Author:	Kouta [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:45 am ]
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Blues2005 wrote: Don't you think that a side losing around 600 games of experience all at once is going to feel it pretty hard? Losing 600 grand plus from their contracts may outweigh losing 3 players. Blues2005 wrote: Don't you think that any footy club whether top or bottom of the ladder needs some experienced bodies in the side? Bartel is an experienced body.

Author:	Synbad [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:24 am ]
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2006... the club is last with these guys in the team. so far Campo Lappin and Lance have done nothing to turn around the tide. Campo is a soft receiver and shows NO leadership. Lappin has done nothing to underline that he is worth giving a 3 year to. Lance cant handle the pressure of being a top liner consistently. All of the above want alot of money. The club cant pay them what they want because the club is in a perilous financial state. I think the players will be replaced one way or another ... the club will pay close to the minimum and save some dosh. The club isnt going anywhere with those players and those players arent taking the club anywhere...

Author:	Ciccio [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:13 am ]
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I think you will find that Lappin and Campo are holding out somewhat, once there is a decision by one if them to fall into line with the clubs demands the other will fall into line quickly. Think about it - as a manager of one of these players, you know Carlton are after some big wigs but if they fail to land anyone ... they still need to make the TPP min ... so this could fall into the hands of these players.

Author:	bax [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:36 am ]
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Synbad wrote: Lance cant handle the pressure of being a top liner consistently. All of the above want alot of money. The club cant pay them what they want because the club is in a perilous financial state. I think the players will be replaced one way or another ... the club will pay close to the minimum and save some dosh. The club isnt going anywhere with those players and those players arent taking the club anywhere... Glad to see you agree Lance is a top liner now. But why do you want to trade a top liner? He has been pretty consistent this year. He doesn't look under pressure to me and he wont be going nowhere. Same as last year let the Lance games begin.

Author:	Macfart [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:36 am ]
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Ive got a gut feeling that Lance will stay (massively reduced contract) and Lappin and Campo will go Again I stress no inside knowledge just a gut feeling Sinners I thought Kouta last year was going to be paid 1 years wages for two years playing ie instead of getting 900,000.00 for this year he was going to get 900,000.00 for this year and next. however I could be wrong

Author:	camel [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:31 am ]
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Can we fast forward these next few years please.

Author:	Laserkid [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:40 am ]
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camelboy wrote: Can we fast forward these next few years please. Couldn't we have fast forwarded the last couple of years also ?

Author:	dannyboy [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:40 am ]
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should this be in the tanking thread? Let the games begin!

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Author:	Blue Bird [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:48 am ]
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So Lappin has one bad season and its hasta la vista baby?

Author:	CarltonClem [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:49 am ]
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Blues2005 wrote: You don't get held to ransom over their demands, you find some sort of compromise. The club shouldn't just pay them what they want but at the same time they should not be stupid enough in my opinion by helping create a situation where they are effectively forcing all 3 players out.. Don't you think that a side losing around 600 games of experience all at once is going to feel it pretty hard? Don't you think that any footy club whether top or bottom of the ladder needs some experienced bodies in the side? Mate, the thing is that that sort of compromise may not be wanted by the other party. Even if Carlton want them here, the players may be hardline enough to say "my way or the highway". I'm convinced, however, that keeping them here on terms that they do not like will ultimately have more of a detrimental effect on the club than if we kicked them out. if they don't want to be here, then they don't have to be. Losing 600 games of experience, yes that will hurt, but I'd rather build a new group that grew and learned to win together than have what I call cancers on the club supposedly "leading" the team.

Author:	phoenix johnson [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:50 am ]
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Lance we knew was a good chance of going. Lappin 50/50. While most here want Campo gone and the lack of interest he was attracting from other clubs, I think it is fair to say that everyone thought he would stay on a reduced contract. Would have to be a huge chance to return home to SA and most likely to go to Port given the fact that Choco has publicly said that they will be chasing experienced midfielders and will spare no cost to bring them to the club.

Author:	jbee [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 8:52 am ]
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Synbad wrote: 2006... the club is last with these guys in the team. so far Campo Lappin and Lance have done nothing to turn around the tide. Campo is a soft receiver and shows NO leadership. Lappin has done nothing to underline that he is worth giving a 3 year to. Lance cant handle the pressure of being a top liner consistently. All of the above want alot of money. The club cant pay them what they want because the club is in a perilous financial state. I think the players will be replaced one way or another ... the club will pay close to the minimum and save some dosh. The club isnt going anywhere with those players and those players arent taking the club anywhere... Synbad I am somewhat a supporter of yours. The club can't pay them what they want because the club thinks they are not worth it. The same club made a huge offer to Kosi because they thought he was worth it. So I question how the clubs finances can be used as an excuse. My preference is that the club tells Lance and Campo that they are not worth the money they are after, if you want more money than you should put yourself on the open market and we will see whether we can get a satisfactory deal. In the first week of September Jonathon Brown walked into the front office of Optus Oval and said I am out of contract, I want to play at Carlton and I want $600,000 a season to play. I don't think the response will be the clubs finances are in strife we can't pay you that much.

Author:	BlueMark [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:42 am ]
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I have wondered at times this year while some are very keen to slam the contracts that our current players are on and there is some justification for this, then turn around and are super keen to throw 500 plus at a player who cannot even stay on the park for any length of time.

Author:	Conundrum [ Wed Aug 24, 2005 9:46 am ]
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Jbee, in response to your argument, Jonathan Brown walking into this club on an annual salary of $600,000 would pay for himself. We would at least get the equivalent in membership sales. It would give Carlton supporters something to look forward to. I can't see us getting more than 25,000 memberships next year with this current list which will create further cash flow problems for the club. So reducing our TPP down to 92.5% is financially necessary and fair given our non performance. Unfortunately Kouta's contract will hurt the club for one more year thanks to Elliott and Co. Soemtimes a club has to take a backwards step in the short term to move forward. If the trades are favourable then the club is obligated to put its interests in front of the players.