TalkingCarlton :: View topic - What would you like the AFL to do..........

Over 2 seasons.

The only real problem I've had with PP is that you can get a team that has a one-off bad year with injuries (Melbourne, Collingwood) or a bad year due to an open revolt against the coaching staff (Brisbane) and they get a PP.

If you're shit over two seasons, you need the PP, and no-one could argue with it. And I doubt whether a club is going to tank 2 years running in order to get 1 kid.

And, by the way, why the hell would Carlton people be agitating for the PP to be removed before possibly the strongest draft ever, in a season where there's every likelihood we won't win too many games?

Personally, I'll shelve my concern for the greater good until 2007.

And, by the way, why the hell would Carlton people be agitating for the PP to be removed before possibly the strongest draft ever, in a season where there's every likelihood we won't win too many games?

Lets do it for the mext 4 years and make sure of it...or five...hell ,make it six...seven?

eight..I'm sure eight will do the trick

nine just to be sure.

10..yes 10. I'll still be alive to see us win surely.

Should be

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
(pp1)
(pp2)etc

then the teams from the finals...

11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18

Personally, keep the priority pick but change the order of the draft so that

PP round

then

9th 1st pick second round
10th 2nd pick second round
etc.
16th 8th pick second round

So this year the picks would be:

1 Carlton
2 Collingwood
3 Hawthorn
4 Western Bulldogs
5 Fremantle
6 Brisbane Lions
7 Richmond
8 Essendon*
9 Carlton
10 Hawthorn
11 Collingwood
Then 'normal' order for the top 8.
12 Port Adelaide
etc.

Far less incentive to tank. This could also work with the 2 year <11 wins scenario as well. Gives some incentive to fight for a finals spot as well, if there are no PP's then 9th gets pick 1.

Author:	Macfart [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:26 pm ]
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With Carlton supporters being split into the we should win every game and the tankers (for which I was one) groups this year I am interested to know what you would like to see the AFL do (if anything) in relation to the priority picks and the draft. I for one would like to see the AFL change the priority picks till after the first round bey hey thats just me Please do not turn this into a we need to tank next year thread, as I am just interested to hear peoples opinions as to what they would like to see the AFL do in regards to the priority pick / draft scenario Enjoy

Author:	Jarusa [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:38 pm ]
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Personally, keep the priority pick but change the order of the draft so that PP round then 9th 1st pick second round 10th 2nd pick second round etc. 16th 8th pick second round So this year the picks would be: 1 Carlton 2 Collingwood 3 Hawthorn 4 Western Bulldogs 5 Fremantle 6 Brisbane Lions 7 Richmond 8 Essendon* 9 Carlton 10 Hawthorn 11 Collingwood Then 'normal' order for the top 8. 12 Port Adelaide etc. Far less incentive to tank. This could also work with the 2 year <11 wins scenario as well. Gives some incentive to fight for a finals spot as well, if there are no PP's then 9th gets pick 1.

Author:	dannyboy [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:41 pm ]
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Jar i think this is wonderful.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:46 pm ]
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Unfortunately, whichever system is adopted, you can be the teams will try and find a way around the rules. I think the PP system has to be split slightly away from 1st round picks. I see it as one of 3 options: 1) The much-discussed "period of crapness" rule, which would require teams to win less than a certain amount of matches over a set number (rolling, possibly) of years. The current cutoff is 5.5 wins, or 1/4 of matches won in the season. maybe that could be extended to 22 matches over 4 years, so a team would have to be really, really, appallingly crap. I mean St Kilda in the 80s crap. That way it's still the required 25%, and you won't get Yo-yo teams getting PPs one year, and playing finals the next and so on. 2) The PPs get awarded after the bottom 8 have their first pick. This way, the bottom 8 get rightful picks, and teams 9-12ish don't get "sloppy seconds", but when you add the priority picks, the finalists, especially the final 4 teams, still get their picks at the same time as they would under the current system. 3) The PPs get given after the first round of picks, which again means that the teams in the top half of the bottom 8 don't spend "years in mediocrity" (The quotes are there to emphasise that that's the way a lot of people think, and it's not my phrase as such) by missing out on higher picks, and it would also mean that the finalists aren't artificially punished for their success. Any of the above would be acceptable to me.

Author:	JohnM [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:48 pm ]
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Over 2 seasons. The only real problem I've had with PP is that you can get a team that has a one-off bad year with injuries (Melbourne, Collingwood) or a bad year due to an open revolt against the coaching staff (Brisbane) and they get a PP. If you're shit over two seasons, you need the PP, and no-one could argue with it. And I doubt whether a club is going to tank 2 years running in order to get 1 kid. And, by the way, why the hell would Carlton people be agitating for the PP to be removed before possibly the strongest draft ever, in a season where there's every likelihood we won't win too many games? Personally, I'll shelve my concern for the greater good until 2007.

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Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 7:58 pm ]
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JohnM wrote: Over 2 seasons. The only real problem I've had with PP is that you can get a team that has a one-off bad year with injuries (Melbourne, Collingwood) or a bad year due to an open revolt against the coaching staff (Brisbane) and they get a PP. If you're shit over two seasons, you need the PP, and no-one could argue with it. And I doubt whether a club is going to tank 2 years running in order to get 1 kid. And, by the way, why the hell would Carlton people be agitating for the PP to be removed before possibly the strongest draft ever, in a season where there's every likelihood we won't win too many games? Personally, I'll shelve my concern for the greater good until 2007. I understand what you're saying, John, but I don't necessarily agree with your point of view. I say let's take what we can this year, and let the cards fall where they may next year. Take the money and run, so to speak.

Author:	dannyboy [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:23 pm ]
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Lets do it for the mext 4 years and make sure of it...or five...hell ,make it six...seven? eight..I'm sure eight will do the trick nine just to be sure. 10..yes 10. I'll still be alive to see us win surely.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:25 pm ]
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Danny, you forgot to add and to your post.

Author:	Effes [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:39 pm ]
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Agree with John, should be done over 2 years.

Author:	bennyvtown [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:51 pm ]
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I like Jarusa's idea the best... It's not a obvious/simple system, which is what I like about it. Except Richmond would wind up with Pick 4 every year..!

Author:	Blues2005 [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 8:52 pm ]
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JohnM wrote: And, by the way, why the hell would Carlton people be agitating for the PP to be removed before possibly the strongest draft ever, in a season where there's every likelihood we won't win too many games? It's the principle, John. It's just not right where supporters of footy clubs agitate for their team to lose games. It just happens that next season's draft is expected to be a strong one.

Author:	Abaddon [ Sat Sep 03, 2005 10:25 pm ]
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dannyboy wrote: Lets do it for the mext 4 years and make sure of it...or five...hell ,make it six...seven? eight..I'm sure eight will do the trick nine just to be sure. 10..yes 10. I'll still be alive to see us win surely. at least you're realistic about how bad the list actually is.

Author:	Deano Supremo [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:04 am ]
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No more PP. Scrap 'em, no more compromising the draft.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:51 am ]
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Let the shit clubs stay there!!! Idlove to know how many of you would like the club to give the pick up at the draft this year.. (Lets seperate the sheep from the goats shall we?)

Author:	The Shag [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:27 am ]
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a system that makes it a little bit fairer would be to stagger/ reverse (i cant think of the right word) the rounds. i.e Priority: 1.Carlton 2.Collingwood 3.Hawthorn Round 1: 4.Carlton 5.Collingwood 6.Hawthorn 7.Essendon* 8.Richmond 9.Brisbane 10.Fremantle 11.Western Bulldogs 12.Port Adeliade 13.Melbourne 14.Geelong 15.Kangaroos 16.Stkilda 17.Sydney 18.West Coast 19.Adelaide Then Round 2 goes: 20. Adelaide 21. West Coast 22. Sydney 23. St Kilda 24.Kangaroos etc....to make it fairer, you'd do it jarusas way so that the bad teams dont make up most of the top 10 picks....

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Author:	Synbad [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 9:33 am ]
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Should be 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (pp1) (pp2)etc then the teams from the finals... 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18

Author:	blu944 [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:10 am ]
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PP's should be picks taken at the start of the second round, given that a team wins less than 5.5 wins in any given year. and the first eight should be a lottery system, whereby the team who finishes last gets 8 balls in a lottery draw, second last gets 7 etc. Thus if collingwood and carlton are divided by percentage next year and they play in the last round of the season - who could honestly say that they'd prefer carlton to lose just so we could secure an extra ball in the lottery? and by giving teams that finish in the 9th and 10th positions a small chance to gain a no.1 pick you would address the problem that teams like geelong and Essendon* have whereby they never get a chance to recruit the absolute elite because they always occupy mediocre ladder positions. i think having pp's in the single digits is still a solid incentive to tank

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 10:12 am ]
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I reckon if a team gets 2 spoons in 4 years they should get the top 3 picks in the draft.

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 12:34 pm ]
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Synbad wrote: Should be 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 (pp1) (pp2)etc then the teams from the finals... 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 Do I get royalties for your suggestion Synbad? I think you'll find this is one of my options in my first post in this thread.

Author:	camel [ Sun Sep 04, 2005 5:57 pm ]
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Jarusa wrote: Personally, keep the priority pick but change the order of the draft so that PP round then 9th 1st pick second round 10th 2nd pick second round etc. 16th 8th pick second round So this year the picks would be: 1 Carlton 2 Collingwood 3 Hawthorn 4 Western Bulldogs 5 Fremantle 6 Brisbane Lions 7 Richmond 8 Essendon* 9 Carlton 10 Hawthorn 11 Collingwood Then 'normal' order for the top 8. 12 Port Adelaide etc. Far less incentive to tank. This could also work with the 2 year <11 wins scenario as well. Gives some incentive to fight for a finals spot as well, if there are no PP's then 9th gets pick 1. KK, so long as you post your royalties to Jarusa who posted it first. Agree that moving the PP away from the start is a good way to go. I also think the 2 year (or even 3 year) qualification rule for the PP is good, and I'd even be happy to reduce the maximum number of points down from 40pts (2 years) to 32pts. Eight wins, or less, over two seasons should help to ease the incentive to tank. Whatever, and regardless of whether Carlton stands to benefit or not, something needs to be done for the greater good of the game. Wanting your team to lose is just stupid and goes against everything that sport should stand for.