Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
Nice speech MrGWS but thats not my point.
I realise that - it was a segue...
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| Author: | therubbernub [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Poor year onfield= Bad financial result- not always |
When we get the inevitable excuse for our poor financial result, that our onfield performance were the cause, lets all remind ourselves that this is a cop out- a load of BS if you like. As evidence your honour I give you this article http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=236893 Quote: Collingwood has recorded a cash profit of $2,450,000, the fifth straight year the club has recorded a profit of more than $1 million.
Despite a disappointing 15th-place finish, the Magpies remain an off-field powerhouse with the club growing strongly across all areas, particularly membership and marketing. Mr Collins what do you have to say in your defence!! And before everyone says that collingwood are a special case with eddie etc, please remind yourselves that we have always taken pride in the fact that Carlton is special and different as well. |
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| Author: | GWS [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 6:28 pm ] |
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That's about as silly as it gets rubbernub. Anyone who's had anything to do with running a business knows that your yearly result has as much to do (if not more) with the years leading up to it as the year itself. I don't doubt that Collingwood are earning more than Carlton at the moment but don't forget the following: 1. Collingwood has cash in the bank built up over a number of years which provides additional income. 2. Carlton has debts built up over a number of years which provides additional expenses. I'm not suggesting we're outperforming the Pies financially but the figures would be a whole lot closer if neither club had the benefit/hindrance of the last 5-10 years. Collingwood were a basket case when Eddie took over and he's done well to turn it around but it didn't happen in 2-3 years. Collo's starting from way way way further back both on-field and off-field and whilst things are starting to improve, there's absolutely no way we'd be in any sort of position to challenge where Collingwood's at at the moment financially regardless of who was leading our club for the last three years |
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| Author: | RoK [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poor year onfield= Bad financial result- not always |
therubbernub wrote: When we get the inevitable excuse for our poor financial result, that our onfield performance were the cause, lets all remind ourselves that this is a cop out- a load of BS if you like.
As evidence your honour I give you this article http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=236893 Quote: Collingwood has recorded a cash profit of $2,450,000, the fifth straight year the club has recorded a profit of more than $1 million. Despite a disappointing 15th-place finish, the Magpies remain an off-field powerhouse with the club growing strongly across all areas, particularly membership and marketing. Mr Collins what do you have to say in your defence!! And before everyone says that collingwood are a special case with eddie etc, please remind yourselves that we have always taken pride in the fact that Carlton is special and different as well. Mate it will take a while for Collo's plan to takes effect give it a chance. |
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| Author: | Warby [ Fri Nov 11, 2005 7:44 pm ] |
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Collo was further back than the guards van when he took over.....patience! |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Sun Nov 13, 2005 10:22 am ] |
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Fair words Mr.GWS and inmy view we were a muchbigger basket than the Pies. Talk to Pies fans at the moment - they still think 2005 was a 1 off and they should be in the finals. 2002-2003 still stays in their minds and Pies fans have been ,living off those years since. Injuries, though a fair excuse at times, roll off Pie tongues. This keeps them signed up. This, plus a very public vocal McGuire, keeps the cash rolling in. Not saying that we'll ever be up there with the Pies again, but they're still on a roll. When the cashflow position stablises and / or COllins hands over, we'll be able to market alot more and hopefully get the 33000 up to 40000 members, especially if our youth turn out to be special. Thats what we have to hope for I guess. |
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| Author: | The Vet [ Sun Nov 13, 2005 11:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Poor year onfield= Bad financial result- not always |
RoK wrote: therubbernub wrote: When we get the inevitable excuse for our poor financial result, that our onfield performance were the cause, lets all remind ourselves that this is a cop out- a load of BS if you like. As evidence your honour I give you this article http://carltonfc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=236893 Quote: Collingwood has recorded a cash profit of $2,450,000, the fifth straight year the club has recorded a profit of more than $1 million. Despite a disappointing 15th-place finish, the Magpies remain an off-field powerhouse with the club growing strongly across all areas, particularly membership and marketing. Mr Collins what do you have to say in your defence!! And before everyone says that collingwood are a special case with eddie etc, please remind yourselves that we have always taken pride in the fact that Carlton is special and different as well. Mate it will take a while for Collo's plan to takes effect give it a chance. And, pray tell, what plan is that? |
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| Author: | GWS [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:24 pm ] |
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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote: Talk to Pies fans at the moment - they still think 2005 was a 1 off and they should be in the finals. 2002-2003 still stays in their minds and Pies fans have been ,living off those years since. Injuries, though a fair excuse at times, roll off Pie tongues.
The Pies onfield situation is seriously dire ATW. I reckon they have by far the worst list in the AFL at the moment and they really don't realise it. Take a look at their best 10-15 players under 22 (who should make up the core of their team in 3 years time and compare it with ours. Ours wins by a mile. They've got a better group over 26 than we do but a number of those guys aren't going to be around for much longer and then there's stuff all to replace them. The only player they've got in the last few years who looks like he'll be a very good player is Travis Cloke. The rest are very, very ordinary footballers. If you chose the best 10 players under 22 between the two clubs I don't think you'd be able to fit a Collingwood player in there bar Travis. |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:26 pm ] |
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GWS wrote: Athorn the Wonderkid wrote: Talk to Pies fans at the moment - they still think 2005 was a 1 off and they should be in the finals. 2002-2003 still stays in their minds and Pies fans have been ,living off those years since. Injuries, though a fair excuse at times, roll off Pie tongues. The Pies onfield situation is seriously dire ATW. I reckon they have by far the worst list in the AFL at the moment and they really don't realise it. Take a look at their best 10-15 players under 22 (who should make up the core of their team in 3 years time and compare it with ours. Ours wins by a mile. They've got a better group over 26 than we do but a number of those guys aren't going to be around for much longer and then there's stuff all to replace them. The only player they've got in the last few years who looks like he'll be a very good player is Travis Cloke. The rest are very, very ordinary footballers. If you chose the best 10 players under 22 between the two clubs I don't think you'd be able to fit a Collingwood player in there bar Travis. Nice speech MrGWS but thats not my point. My point is that Pies fans believe in their team still, thus generating memberships, spare cash, pokie $ etc. our fans dont have that yet. not unril our saviour DYLAN McLAREN starts slurping up those brownlow votes. |
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| Author: | GWS [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 4:28 pm ] |
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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote: Nice speech MrGWS but thats not my point.
I realise that - it was a segue...
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Athorn |
This is off topic and perhaps yours was a throw -away line but No one is suggesting Mclaren is a superstar NOR THE SAVIOUR but can we give the guy a chance he hasnt even played a game for us yet 
Not sure why we are denigrating him yes he is not a Nick Stevens but given our list he is definitely the best player available in the pre-season draft and he might end up being an Elmer Fudd but at least give him a chance to prove or disprove that assessment 
Can we at least acknowledge that getting a 23 year old ruckman who was taken in the top 10 of his draft year and has played in a grand final is a reasonable get by a club that is struggling 
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:08 pm ] |
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McLaren was overlooked in the 2000 draft, he was picked up No 9 in the Pre-season Draft. an article (Age?) recently said he was a top 10 draftee, but it was wrong. |
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| Author: | Cammo [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:22 pm ] |
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Jarusa should come off the bench naked in games at Kardinia Park. |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:38 pm ] |
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Cammo wrote: Jarusa should come off the bench naked in games at Kardinia Park.
Wouldn't work, too close to the sea, people would keep trying to push me in. |
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| Author: | Cammo [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:48 pm ] |
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I have an inane theory that's just crazy enough to work. We get drunk, wear viking hats, go to Geelong, and rape, pillage and plunder the village, before burning it to the ground and staging a John Mellencamp concert there, before rebuilding the place as one big camp for kids with illnesses and can't read good. ARE YOU WITH ME>? |
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| Author: | Jarusa [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:50 pm ] |
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| That's how Somer's camp started!
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| Author: | Cammo [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 5:54 pm ] |
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I just thought it was the growing need to erect something in honour of Daryl Somers!
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| Author: | Elwood Blues1 [ Mon Nov 14, 2005 6:14 pm ] |
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Agree with Frank...Mclaren isnt a superstar but will be handy and we need to wait until he plays a few games before we stick the knife in. I think he is the best player available from the retred basket and can maybe play several positions....lets see how he goes. RE: The Pies and money...eddie give him his due knows how to attract the corporate dollar and its hard for us to compete when he gives the pies such a marketing advantage with his media profile and resources. Essendon* have really impressed me with their continuing financial success, it hasnt related or been driven by on field success but they seem to generate good profits every year and were leaders in making a dollar long before eddie jumped on board Collingwood..in fact we fell of the pace and became third world when Essendon* were setting the pace off field as well as on and we should have followed their lead back then.... |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:51 am ] |
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GWS wrote: Athorn the Wonderkid wrote: Nice speech MrGWS but thats not my point. I realise that - it was a segue... Nice segway, seag, seque - how do you pronounce that? Is it French? And Mr/Dardew, my McLaren line was indeed an off the cuff comment tinged with elements of worry, hope and fear. |
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| Author: | frank dardew [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:17 am ] |
| Post subject: | Athorn |
Happy for you to call me Frank |
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| Author: | Chitty's Finger [ Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Athorn |
frank dardew wrote: Happy for you to call me Frank
How about Big Franky? |
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