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Foresight

Perception of the significance and nature of events before they have occurred.
Care in providing for the future; prudence.
The act of looking forward.

Think about that definition of foresight, and ask yourself whether you truly think that the good people in charge of our future really have the necessary foresight needed for our playing list to be realistically able to challenge for a premiership in 5 years time, or are simply just doing what any idiot can do, and "pick the kids".

Do any of you believe there is a plan beyond 2007? If so, what is it?

At the moment, it appears the plan is little more than:

* - Don't worry about 2006. We'll either tank or just not be good enough anyway
* - Hope the draft is as good as it appears to be
* - Hope the priority picks remain
* - *shrugs* I don't know...maybe.

So lets say the kids from this year come along at a reasonable rate. Lets say the kids in 06 are an alright crop too. Where does that leave us? The same situation that Hawthorn are in right now.....at 15th. A bunch of promising young kids, with SFA leadership (fair bet to say Kouta will be gone at this stage) and erratic undisciplined senior players.....3 years all for naught.

Where do we go from there? What's the plan? Hope that the 6-7 kids we pick up in the next 2 years are ready made world beaters? Aggressively recruit senior players?

The only team that has remotely got anywhere near success from tanking, being St Kilda, managed to do so on the basis of having solid leaders like Burke, Harvey, Loewe there at the time. Hawthorn will hit the wall once Crawford and Everitt retire, simply no leadership there. We will be the same once Kouta retires. Given our inability to throw cash around at the best of times, let alone Mr. Salary Cap being there in full force, we're not just going to lure a Judd or a Riewoldt or a Brown...

So I ask you this:

* - What do you think the plan is?
* - What do you think the plan should be?
* - Is the plan adequate?

Author:	Cammo [ Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:07 pm ]
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Quote: Foresight Perception of the significance and nature of events before they have occurred. Care in providing for the future; prudence. The act of looking forward. Think about that definition of foresight, and ask yourself whether you truly think that the good people in charge of our future really have the necessary foresight needed for our playing list to be realistically able to challenge for a premiership in 5 years time, or are simply just doing what any idiot can do, and "pick the kids". Do any of you believe there is a plan beyond 2007? If so, what is it? At the moment, it appears the plan is little more than: * - Don't worry about 2006. We'll either tank or just not be good enough anyway * - Hope the draft is as good as it appears to be * - Hope the priority picks remain * - shrugs I don't know...maybe. So lets say the kids from this year come along at a reasonable rate. Lets say the kids in 06 are an alright crop too. Where does that leave us? The same situation that Hawthorn are in right now.....at 15th. A bunch of promising young kids, with SFA leadership (fair bet to say Kouta will be gone at this stage) and erratic undisciplined senior players.....3 years all for naught. Where do we go from there? What's the plan? Hope that the 6-7 kids we pick up in the next 2 years are ready made world beaters? Aggressively recruit senior players? The only team that has remotely got anywhere near success from tanking, being St Kilda, managed to do so on the basis of having solid leaders like Burke, Harvey, Loewe there at the time. Hawthorn will hit the wall once Crawford and Everitt retire, simply no leadership there. We will be the same once Kouta retires. Given our inability to throw cash around at the best of times, let alone Mr. Salary Cap being there in full force, we're not just going to lure a Judd or a Riewoldt or a Brown... So I ask you this: * - What do you think the plan is? * - What do you think the plan should be? * - Is the plan adequate?

Author:	AGRO [ Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:29 pm ]
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Calling all Mohels.

Author:	TheSheik [ Wed Nov 23, 2005 3:58 pm ]
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Cammo wrote: So I ask you this: * - What do you think the plan is? * - What do you think the plan should be? * - Is the plan adequate? Hmmmn, did I read this somewhere else ?????

Author:	dannyboy [ Wed Nov 23, 2005 4:30 pm ]
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I think we'll be competitive in 2006 then factors decide the rest can the irish boys step up? Will raso? Russell hartlett etc, Thing is we have a nucleus of kids with pace, with skill with strength etc. Now we have to be patient. EWre can moan and bitch all we want but the fact is this is the long haul. we are hauling so just wait and see what we deliver eh?

Author:	Cazzesman [ Wed Nov 23, 2005 5:43 pm ]
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Cammo wrote: Quote: Foresight Perception of the significance and nature of events before they have occurred. Care in providing for the future; prudence. The act of looking forward. Think about that definition of foresight, and ask yourself whether you truly think that the good people in charge of our future really have the necessary foresight needed for our playing list to be realistically able to challenge for a premiership in 5 years time, or are simply just doing what any idiot can do, and "pick the kids". Do any of you believe there is a plan beyond 2007? If so, what is it? At the moment, it appears the plan is little more than: * - Don't worry about 2006. We'll either tank or just not be good enough anyway * - Hope the draft is as good as it appears to be * - Hope the priority picks remain * - shrugs I don't know...maybe. So lets say the kids from this year come along at a reasonable rate. Lets say the kids in 06 are an alright crop too. Where does that leave us? The same situation that Hawthorn are in right now.....at 15th. A bunch of promising young kids, with SFA leadership (fair bet to say Kouta will be gone at this stage) and erratic undisciplined senior players.....3 years all for naught. Where do we go from there? What's the plan? Hope that the 6-7 kids we pick up in the next 2 years are ready made world beaters? Aggressively recruit senior players? The only team that has remotely got anywhere near success from tanking, being St Kilda, managed to do so on the basis of having solid leaders like Burke, Harvey, Loewe there at the time. Hawthorn will hit the wall once Crawford and Everitt retire, simply no leadership there. We will be the same once Kouta retires. Given our inability to throw cash around at the best of times, let alone Mr. Salary Cap being there in full force, we're not just going to lure a Judd or a Riewoldt or a Brown... So I ask you this: * - What do you think the plan is? * - What do you think the plan should be? * - Is the plan adequate? A wise man once said......'Don't give me questions, give me answers' So Cammo you like to think of yourself as a pretty smart man. Why don't you tell us all what CFC should being doing or should have done as of the start of 2003. I'll make it the start of 2003 because that's when the Elliot reign was over and Collo and Co started to rebuild CFC from 'Below ground' up. If 2003 is toooooo far back for you then start as of Jan 2005 and lets hear your thoughts. Regards Cazzesman PS. If you have no idea then feel free to say so.

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Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:06 am ]
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Foresight is the ability to look into the future and see a way out of the steaming shitpile we're in currently. To see that preparation and planning now will stand us in good stead. Looking forward and seeing only shit, bad results, thinking of tanking isn't foresight, it's called being St Kilda.

Author:	Headplant [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:21 pm ]
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I think the plan is to rebuild/improve the list.

Author:	The Tyrant [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:44 pm ]
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Headplant wrote: I think the plan is to rebuild/improve the list. why the hell would we do that?

Author:	Elwood Blues1 [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:52 pm ]
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Youth policy=development=losses= bottom four finish=more tanking talk=can we get Bryce Gibbs, Jetta etc etc....leading back to the topic of this thread same time next year...

Author:	House [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 1:41 pm ]
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No no - I've got it all worked out.... 2004 was like the 1993 Preliminary final, in that we won a (lot more) game(s) that we could easily have lost. 2005 was like the 1993 Grand Final where the team(s) we beat in the preliminary final (previous season) showed us that we weren't as good as we thought, or that they were better than us...... So 2006 will be like 1994, where we are written off, but make the finals, only to fall in a devastating shock, and then 2007 HAS to be like 1995.... So in other words, in the last year of our 5 year sentence, we're getting PAROLE!!

Author:	Warby [ Thu Nov 24, 2005 2:00 pm ]
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Did you know another word for foresight is "ballgazing"? "ballgazing" is a much better word than "foresight" or "prescience"....

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