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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:42 pm 
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Fevola says he will be smarter and not play hurt

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"He's done 3500 groins and he said mine were in the top three worst," Fevola said of Sydney-based surgeon Neil Halpin. "He said they were pretty bad."

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How would you like your groins opened up...????

Then to be told theyre in the top 3 worst....???

Id tell the dr to mind his own business... !!!

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Pretty bad if the Surgeon has a record to match Wilt Chamberlain. :o

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For any of you who have any doubt about the differences between the two Melbourne daily's, check this:

The Age's version of the fevola Interview:

Fevola says he will be smarter and not play hurt

and the Hun's

[url=http://www.heraldsun.news.com.au/footy/common/story_page/0,8033,17433342%255E20322,00.html]Fevola vows to improve his game
[/url]


Even the headlines are a stark difference. Do you think it was the same press conference?

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If the club knew he was injured and saw his performance drop in a season which was shot anyway, then why did they not at least rest him? I find this weird.


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If the club knew he was injured and saw his performance drop in a season which was shot anyway, then why did they not at least rest him? I find this weird.


I'd say more stupid than weird - He now starts the season on the back foot when he could have had the op and be training now. Collingwood chose to rest all their top players and get them up to speed where we left our gun playing injured in a team that finished bottom - Stupid not weird

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Sydney Blue wrote:
mikkey wrote:
If the club knew he was injured and saw his performance drop in a season which was shot anyway, then why did they not at least rest him? I find this weird.


I'd say more stupid than weird - He now starts the season on the back foot when he could have had the op and be training now. Collingwood chose to rest all their top players and get them up to speed where we left our gun playing injured in a team that finished bottom - Stupid not weird


Agree. Stupid. Bad management. No forward thinking. Pretty much in line with how the club has been run in recent times.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
mikkey wrote:
If the club knew he was injured and saw his performance drop in a season which was shot anyway, then why did they not at least rest him? I find this weird.


I'd say more stupid than weird - He now starts the season on the back foot when he could have had the op and be training now. Collingwood chose to rest all their top players and get them up to speed where we left our gun playing injured in a team that finished bottom - Stupid not weird


Well I called it weird and refrained from categorical statements because I don’t have inside knowledge. I would like some more “insideâ€


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Not the first time, In 2002 we brought Kouta back too early to avoid coming last and that only lasted 3 games before he strained his knee again... In desperate times the club has done stupid things..


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I think it was Pagan's way of getting a message through to Brendan.

Fev repeatedly told him he wasn't hurt, he was right to play, so Pagan let him take tha t responsibility and wouldn't let him use the injury as an excuse for poor form.

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
I think it was Pagan's way of getting a message through to Brendan.

Fev repeatedly told him he wasn't hurt, he was right to play, so Pagan let him take tha t responsibility and wouldn't let him use the injury as an excuse for poor form.


Sounds plausible, but don't we have medical staff? Wouldn't you expect doctor and physio's to be able to assess Fev? Why take the risk of long term injury or (as now) loss of pre-season? Either there is more to this or it is really a f* up by the football department. Most players want to play no matter what, it is up to the football department to manage the situation.


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mikkey wrote:
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I think it was Pagan's way of getting a message through to Brendan.

Fev repeatedly told him he wasn't hurt, he was right to play, so Pagan let him take tha t responsibility and wouldn't let him use the injury as an excuse for poor form.


Sounds plausible, but don't we have medical staff? Wouldn't you expect doctor and physio's to be able to assess Fev? Why take the risk of long term injury or (as now) loss of pre-season? Either there is more to this or it is really a f* up by the football department. Most players want to play no matter what, it is up to the football department to manage the situation.


Problem was that Fev kept saying he was right to play, he wasn't injured. He would have thought he was doing the right thing by the team.

Pagan certainly hinted that this was the case when Fev finally admitted to the injury after Round 21

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Problem was that Fev kept saying he was right to play, he wasn't injured. He would have thought he was doing the right thing by the team.

Pagan certainly hinted that this was the case when Fev finally admitted to the injury after Round 21


Exactly, your average AFL player would still take the field in a full body cast if you let them.

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Problem was that Fev kept saying he was right to play, he wasn't injured. He would have thought he was doing the right thing by the team.


Understand all that. But would you not expect the football department's doctor and physio's as well as coaches to be able to see that he was injured (supporters clearly could see he was not right) and take action by omitting him from the team, get scan done etc. and at least rest him - no matter what the player says?


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Problem was that Fev kept saying he was right to play, he wasn't injured. He would have thought he was doing the right thing by the team.


Understand all that. But would you not expect the football department's doctor and physio's as well as coaches to be able to see that he was injured (supporters clearly could see he was not right) and take action by omitting him from the team, get scan done etc. and at least rest him - no matter what the player says?


What I read into it was Pagan educating Fev to be responsible. When Fev denied he was hurt Pagan thought he'd challange him to keep playing through it and not be able to use the injury as an excuse for his form.

In this case Pagan may have overruled the doctor's. Whether that's the right course of action with such a valuable asset is the question.

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You only had to watch the warm ups in the second half of the year to see that he wasn't right. Taking set shots from 30-35 metres & not extending his leg was a clear indication.

Maybe his contract had a games played clause for bonus payments?


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TruBlueBrad wrote:
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Problem was that Fev kept saying he was right to play, he wasn't injured. He would have thought he was doing the right thing by the team.


Understand all that. But would you not expect the football department's doctor and physio's as well as coaches to be able to see that he was injured (supporters clearly could see he was not right) and take action by omitting him from the team, get scan done etc. and at least rest him - no matter what the player says?


What I read into it was Pagan educating Fev to be responsible. When Fev denied he was hurt Pagan thought he'd challange him to keep playing through it and not be able to use the injury as an excuse for his form.

In this case Pagan may have overruled the doctor's. Whether that's the right course of action with such a valuable asset is the question.


If this is true the I would categorise it as a major fxx up. I do not think teaching Fev a lesson is worth at worst gambling with his long term playing ability and probably a lost season 06.


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Bloody rediculous playing injured when the team is on the bottom!!! STUPID!!
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Sumo wrote:
Maybe his contract had a games played clause for bonus payments?


Why is it that so many people see Fev as money hungry?

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I think he really hurt it in the first qtr against Brisbane....I remember he almost did the splits trying to chase Mal Michael

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