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Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
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Author:  Warby [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
I think he is just a tad....maybe next years his go?

An article from Footygoss debates it.
Author:  Fevolution [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:21 pm ]
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this year where, he has played on mcleod, aker, judd and other star players it will make him a better player
Author:  camel [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
Warby wrote:
I think he is just a tad....maybe next years his go?

An article from Footygoss debates it.


Bah humbug … AW will be just fine IMO. If that article had any merit whatsoever it would have gone into some detail on the aspects of his game that need improving rather than relying on a simplistic statistical view.
Author:  HTP [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:32 pm ]
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Is Andrew Walker disappointing?


I haven't slept with him so I wouldn't really know

Might be worth it from a celebrity root POV though - go for it!
Author:  Barnesy [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:37 pm ]
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-If he was on $500,000 per year
-If he was 6kg overweight
-If he lacked enthusiasm
-If he finished in the back of the pack of the run

THEN YES

- he isn't
- he is not
- he doesn't
- he didn't

SO NO
Author:  Warby [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
camelboy wrote:

Bah humbug … AW will be just fine IMO. If that article had any merit whatsoever it would have gone into some detail on the aspects of his game that need improving rather than relying on a simplistic statistical view.


Camelboy; I agree with you in essence about AW, however; IMO he hasn't produced yet at the same level as Adam Cooney who preceded him in the draft; and I think most Carlton supporters would be just a tad disappointed with his footy since that stellar debut.

I submitted the Footygoss article purely because it was about a Carlton player.
Author:  HTP [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:41 pm ]
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Without trying to be too subjective here, it is crap to use the old 'Others selected in the top ten are performing' chestnut. Why is it that ruckmen are acknowledged to blossom in their 20s, yet it seems midfielders etc must be as good as Cooney [for e.g.] was / is 'at that age'.

I'm mindful that I might be making an excuse for him because he's 'one of ours' but I try to keep an open mind about ALL players in the footy [except for N Brown - who appears to me to be a wanker]. Granted he must perform consistently well at some stage - it would just be nice if an 18 or 19 year old were allowed to grow into their bodies like ruckmen seem to be allowed to do

* Ends third ever serious post - wipes sweat away from brow *
Author:  Kouta [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:44 pm ]
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And according to the article this year's draftees will put pressure on his position rather than improving the quality of team. :garthp:

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Melbourne snapped up ready-made stars Colin Sylvia (#3 overall) and Brock McLean (#5), while Kepler Bradley (#6), Kane Tenace (#7) and Raphael Clarke (#8) were also selected in the top ten. Most of these players have been regularly selected in their senior sides and have proven to be valuable assets.


Walks has played more games than everyone on that list except for Cooney and I'd love to see how some of them would perform in the worst side for the past 4 years.
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:50 pm ]
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The word disappointing requires an expectation, so the answer to the question is different depending on everyone's expectation.

What's my expectation? That he'll be a STAR at age 21,22,23 - seomthing like that. He's what, 19?

Reading these posts the only proof of disappointment is that he's been overtaken by those taken in the same draft. That's it. He'd admit to that, its probably fact.
Author:  budzy [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:51 pm ]
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If that article is the standard at footygoss then heaven help them.
Looks as though it was written by a 10yo. :roll:
Author:  Chitty's Finger [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 4:52 pm ]
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What is footygoos? Is that like BigFooty?
Author:  Warby [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:34 pm ]
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Athorn the Wonderkid wrote:
What is footygoos? Is that like BigFooty?


Footygoss is just another footy site trying to find something to write about at this time of year.

I admit that I'm a bit too impatient with AW at age 19; it's unfair.

I suppose we've had so little to enthuse about that we're inclined to expect too much from our kids.

Unfortunately; he did show so much in that first game 2 years ago, and set a level for himself that may be hard for him to consistently reproduce in the future.

I really hope he can.
Author:  moshe25 [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
Warby wrote:
I think he is just a tad....maybe next years his go?



Isn't he a year younger? I can't understand why anyone would be disappointed - he's 19!!!
Author:  camel [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Is Andrew Walker disappointing?
Warby wrote:
camelboy wrote:

Bah humbug … AW will be just fine IMO. If that article had any merit whatsoever it would have gone into some detail on the aspects of his game that need improving rather than relying on a simplistic statistical view.


Camelboy; I agree with you in essence about AW, however; IMO he hasn't produced yet at the same level as Adam Cooney who preceded him in the draft; and I think most Carlton supporters would be just a tad disappointed with his footy since that stellar debut.

I submitted the Footygoss article purely because it was about a Carlton player.


Why should Walker be at the same level as Cooney? On the surface of it maybe it is a reasonable comparison, but in reality if Walker was at the same level as Cooney how would that affect our current plight? Do you think Walker won't make it?

Cooney had senior experience with Centrals in Adelaide, his body is both more mature and used to playing with stronger bodies. Walker needs time, if he takes one year, two years, even three years to reach Cooney's level will that really harm our development greatly?

Walker biggest disappointment to date was his scorching debut as now people think he is going backwards if he doesn't play like that every week. He has skill, pace and youth. Something our team lacks. Yes, I would say his skill does need work, but it's there, he just needs to improve his consistency.

He'll be alright. We need him firing in around 2-3-4 years, when hopefully we're a much more competitive unit, if he's not dominating games before then but is still improving that's fine with me.
Author:  Warby [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:08 pm ]
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[quote="Warby]
I admit that I'm a bit too impatient with AW at age 19; it's unfair.

I suppose we've had so little to enthuse about that we're inclined to expect too much from our kids.

Unfortunately; he did show so much in that first game 2 years ago, and set a level for himself that may be hard for him to consistently reproduce in the future.

I really hope he can[/quote]

Im just repeating my post as some obviously didn't read it.
Author:  phninja [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:41 pm ]
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My boys are wearing their first numbers this year..1 and 17.

Hope our faith in his and that Irish bloke's ability is not misplaced :wink:
Author:  keogh [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:51 pm ]
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a little disappointing, but has age on his side.
Author:  Deano Supremo [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 6:54 pm ]
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Those in the disappointing camp must be watching a different game to me.

AW is not far from unleashing. Some extra support in the MF (and him not having to account for Campo's man as well as his own) and further improvement will see him really kick along this year I reckon.

One thing's for sure, when he does let fly it'll make for some kick-arse viewing. :-D
Author:  Phoenix [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 7:22 pm ]
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When he was first recruited many on TBV talked him up as the next big thing in footy. So quite a lot was expected from him, from some of the stuff I read he was expected to singlehandedly win ever game off his own boot. Hence the unrealistic expectations placed on him.

Two years down the track and those who believed what they read about AW are disappointed that he hasn't lived up to "expectations" of him.

I more disapointed in the early hype about AW( not perpetuated by him) rather than his perfromance to date.
Author:  Sydney Blue [ Fri Dec 09, 2005 8:10 pm ]
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He would go okay if he was allowed to play like Delidio and Cooney have been allowed to do. Walker seems to have been hamstrung by the roles he has been given. It may be for the better it may ruin his career . Only time will tell
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