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It was not just tonight, but I just don't like seeing Thornton play full back.

To me it is a waste, he is a naturally creative player.

In a strong team he would be a superbly creative half-back-flanker.

He is not a Full-Back, he is only just a Centre Half Back, just play him on a HBF and see what happens.

Just let Livo, Hartlett, etc. take FB and see what happens, they might be a chance of making it, Thornton just is not suited to the last line. Watching Kingsley kick to a player in the forward pocket and then run through full-forward and present 30 metres out straight in front was a mortal sin.

re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance...

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re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance...

Agreed.

The amount of times I saw Lance trailing Lonergan or Gardner by 2 or 3 metres, wasn't funny.

He was too slow off the mark and was beaten almost every time.

Did some good things, but 9 times out of 10 he was always trailing his direct opponent.

Shouldn't have given Gardiner or Lonergan that much room to move.

now here I miust sadly,

agree with The game. Those two mostly got their ball on the boundary lines forty meters out. Lance forces his opponent wide most of the times.

phoenix johnson wrote:

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re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance...

Agreed.

The amount of times I saw Lance trailing Lonergan or Gardner by 2 or 3 metres, wasn't funny.

He was too slow off the mark and was beaten almost every time.

What game were you watching? The one I watched Lance was our best with Lappin.

for those who have better football knowledge than me, when you are defending, shouldn't you go for the ball more than holding onto your opponent? I've seen Thornton did that a few times, pulling on Kingsley's hips and Kingsley was able to go forward and takes an easy chest mark.

Thornton seems like he prefers to "pull" than "push" and he always loses the 1 on 1 battle.

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It's a bit of both but I think you are spot on about Thornton not looking at the ball. He seems to take his eyes off the play to concentrate on his man and then get caught out. This tactic works for a lot of guys but not for Brett.

Is it just a coincidence or has Thornton not been the same since Norman left his side.

I just think Thornton is getting stale playing at FB...

we should try Lance there for a dozen games... (considering some people think hes such a great player).. and we can get T Bird to go out and play on the third forward for a bit across half back.. allow T Bird to run abit .., get the odd mark uncontested from Lappin or Stevo passes.. and just 'control' the centre corridor and push his half forward flanker to the boundary..

Make no mistake!!! T Bird has had it hard for 3/4 years.. playing a role he really shouldnt have to play week in week out for years since he was 18.

................by himself

TheGame wrote:

KoRn wrote:

Geeeez........ Youre angling at another Pagans fault right???... cos he delisted Karl??? Like he did Beaumont and Allan???

Or am i barking up the wrong tree???

Synbad wrote:

What are you on about easy kicks? There are no easy kicks. Campo's gone now who got his easy kicks the other night? Simpson? Don't think so. Just because our better players make it look easy doesn't mean it is.

By the way Stephen Kernahan was a great player but he would have got his pants pulled down at full back the same way Lance would.

Author:	Jarusa [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:44 am ]
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It was not just tonight, but I just don't like seeing Thornton play full back. To me it is a waste, he is a naturally creative player. In a strong team he would be a superbly creative half-back-flanker. He is not a Full-Back, he is only just a Centre Half Back, just play him on a HBF and see what happens. Just let Livo, Hartlett, etc. take FB and see what happens, they might be a chance of making it, Thornton just is not suited to the last line. Watching Kingsley kick to a player in the forward pocket and then run through full-forward and present 30 metres out straight in front was a mortal sin.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:47 am ]
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Jarusa wrote: It was not just tonight, but I just don't like seeing Thornton play full back. To me it is a waste, he is a naturally creative player. In a strong team he would be a superbly creative half-back-flanker. He is not a Full-Back, he is only just a Centre Half Back, just play him on a HBF and see what happens. Just let Livo, Hartlett, etc. take FB and see what happens, they might be a chance of making it, Thornton just is not suited to the last line. Watching Kingsley kick to a player in the forward pocket and then run through full-forward and present 30 metres out straight in front was a mortal sin. Jar I just dont like seeing Thorton play at all these days - He hasn't played good for over a year. Ithought it was his knee last year . But this guys has some serious issues at the moment doesn't matter where you play him. He has totally lost it

Author:	ballistic blues [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 10:03 am ]
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Sydney blue i thought he did ok last year, how has he lost it what support does he have. Our midfield got carved up last year no pressure and T-bird was always under the pump so how can you say something so stupid as that. He is a lonely man down back

Author:	malbi [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:19 pm ]
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I don't think T-bird is going well either. Put him at HBF on the third forward. We need others at the key posts.

Author:	ballistic blues [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 5:21 pm ]
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one fricken game who else can play full back i much prefer T-bird than livo anyday livo cracks under pressure

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Author:	Elwood Blues1 [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:47 pm ]
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He is not big enough for fullback and lacks a yard, Kingsley is no world beater but isnt a mug either, yet we played him like one and got we deserved. You give him space and he will find the ball and when his kikcing is on he will have a night out which is what he did. I like Thornton as a player because he has some spirit but he needs the right match up.....players like Kingsley, Hall, Tarrant etc dont suit...lloyd for example is a better match size and pace wise.. I like the look of Adam Hartlett....smooth, coordinated and has the size to play a key position...I think he can play down back and be successful. re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance... Thornton to CHB...Livo or Hartlett at FB......

Author:	phoenix johnson [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:59 pm ]
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Quote: re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance... Agreed. The amount of times I saw Lance trailing Lonergan or Gardner by 2 or 3 metres, wasn't funny. He was too slow off the mark and was beaten almost every time.

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:02 pm ]
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phoenix johnson wrote: Quote: re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance... Agreed. The amount of times I saw Lance trailing Lonergan or Gardner by 2 or 3 metres, wasn't funny. He was too slow off the mark and was beaten almost every time. What game were you watching? The one I watched Lance was our best with Lappin.

Author:	phoenix johnson [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:08 pm ]
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Did some good things, but 9 times out of 10 he was always trailing his direct opponent. Shouldn't have given Gardiner or Lonergan that much room to move.

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:12 pm ]
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phoenix johnson wrote: Did some good things, but 9 times out of 10 he was always trailing his direct opponent. Shouldn't have given Gardiner or Lonergan that much room to move. I reckon they shouldn't have given Lance as much room. He had way more impact than those 2 put together.

Author:	dannyboy [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:19 pm ]
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now here I miust sadly, agree with The game. Those two mostly got their ball on the boundary lines forty meters out. Lance forces his opponent wide most of the times.

Author:	Conundrum [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:00 pm ]
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dannyboy wrote: now here I miust sadly, agree with The game. Those two mostly got their ball on the boundary lines forty meters out. Lance forces his opponent wide most of the times. A tend to agree with both of these astute judges of the game. Lance 's upside is his quick thinking football brain. He anticipates where the play will be and positions himself well for someone so slow. He is also a great judge of the flight of the ball and plays from the front. The downside is his direct opponent will always exploit his lack of pace as Tom Lonergan did in turning him inside out along the boundary line. When his opponent is on the lead he needs the assistance of his fellow backmen to cut off the short passes because he is so far behind. He had an influential role down back against Geelong and in my opinion won the fight by a TKO on the day despite receiving a few hits.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:26 pm ]
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TheGame wrote: phoenix johnson wrote: Quote: re: Lance Whitnall....wasnt impressed with his work at CHB...Gardiner lost him several times and Lance isnt mobile enough to play at CHB...Lonergan is a good colt and was also too slick for Lance... Agreed. The amount of times I saw Lance trailing Lonergan or Gardner by 2 or 3 metres, wasn't funny. He was too slow off the mark and was beaten almost every time. What game were you watching? The one I watched Lance was our best with Lappin. i just pissed myself laughing.... The bit where Lonerghan had Lance grasping at fresh air as he strolled around him and easy as you like nailed a goal just highlighted Lances lack of mobility. then the hospital handballs and kicks that he was dishing out almost had a ward full of ourt players in hospital. The bit where the ball was bobbing around at his feet and he couldnt bend over and pick it up... And yes.. continually lagging behind ... he may have forced them to the boundary in your eyes but they kicked a few on him. And dont forget Gardner and Lonergan are no gun footballers. And poor T Bird.. couldnt get shifted of Kingsley because how the hell was Lance going to play on him??? Lance only plays on third and fouth talls and gets himself dacked!!! Lappin AND Lance.. get real!!!!.. what game were YOU watching??? I just watched it again.... Take another look....!!!

Author:	KoRn [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:41 pm ]
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for those who have better football knowledge than me, when you are defending, shouldn't you go for the ball more than holding onto your opponent? I've seen Thornton did that a few times, pulling on Kingsley's hips and Kingsley was able to go forward and takes an easy chest mark. Thornton seems like he prefers to "pull" than "push" and he always loses the 1 on 1 battle.

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Author:	Synbad [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:48 pm ]
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I just think Thornton is getting stale playing at FB... we should try Lance there for a dozen games... (considering some people think hes such a great player).. and we can get T Bird to go out and play on the third forward for a bit across half back.. allow T Bird to run abit .., get the odd mark uncontested from Lappin or Stevo passes.. and just 'control' the centre corridor and push his half forward flanker to the boundary.. Make no mistake!!! T Bird has had it hard for 3/4 years.. playing a role he really shouldnt have to play week in week out for years since he was 18. ................by himself

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:50 pm ]
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KoRn wrote: for those who have better football knowledge than me, when you are defending, shouldn't you go for the ball more than holding onto your opponent? I've seen Thornton did that a few times, pulling on Kingsley's hips and Kingsley was able to go forward and takes an easy chest mark. Thornton seems like he prefers to "pull" than "push" and he always loses the 1 on 1 battle. It's a bit of both but I think you are spot on about Thornton not looking at the ball. He seems to take his eyes off the play to concentrate on his man and then get caught out. This tactic works for a lot of guys but not for Brett. Is it just a coincidence or has Thornton not been the same since Norman left his side.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:52 pm ]
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TheGame wrote: KoRn wrote: for those who have better football knowledge than me, when you are defending, shouldn't you go for the ball more than holding onto your opponent? I've seen Thornton did that a few times, pulling on Kingsley's hips and Kingsley was able to go forward and takes an easy chest mark. Thornton seems like he prefers to "pull" than "push" and he always loses the 1 on 1 battle. It's a bit of both but I think you are spot on about Thornton not looking at the ball. He seems to take his eyes off the play to concentrate on his man and then get caught out. This tactic works for a lot of guys but not for Brett. Is it just a coincidence or has Thornton not been the same since Norman left his side. Geeeez........ Youre angling at another Pagans fault right???... cos he delisted Karl??? Like he did Beaumont and Allan??? Or am i barking up the wrong tree???

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:55 pm ]
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Synbad wrote: I just think Thornton is getting stale playing at FB... we should try Lance there for a dozen games... (considering some people think hes such a great player).. and we can get T Bird to go out and play on the third forward for a bit across half back.. allow T Bird to run abit .., get the odd mark uncontested from Lappin or Stevo passes.. and just 'control' the centre corridor and push his half forward flanker to the boundary.. Make no mistake!!! T Bird has had it hard for 3/4 years.. playing a role he really shouldnt have to play week in week out for years since he was 18. ................by himself What are you on about easy kicks? There are no easy kicks. Campo's gone now who got his easy kicks the other night? Simpson? Don't think so. Just because our better players make it look easy doesn't mean it is. By the way Stephen Kernahan was a great player but he would have got his pants pulled down at full back the same way Lance would.

Author:	TheGame [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:57 pm ]
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Synbad wrote: TheGame wrote: KoRn wrote: for those who have better football knowledge than me, when you are defending, shouldn't you go for the ball more than holding onto your opponent? I've seen Thornton did that a few times, pulling on Kingsley's hips and Kingsley was able to go forward and takes an easy chest mark. Thornton seems like he prefers to "pull" than "push" and he always loses the 1 on 1 battle. It's a bit of both but I think you are spot on about Thornton not looking at the ball. He seems to take his eyes off the play to concentrate on his man and then get caught out. This tactic works for a lot of guys but not for Brett. Is it just a coincidence or has Thornton not been the same since Norman left his side. Geeeez........ Youre angling at another Pagans fault right???... cos he delisted Karl??? Like he did Beaumont and Allan??? Or am i barking up the wrong tree??? Wrong tree this time. I just think Thornton needs help, I am a fan of his.

Author:	Synbad [ Sun Feb 26, 2006 9:59 pm ]
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TheGame wrote: Synbad wrote: I just think Thornton is getting stale playing at FB... we should try Lance there for a dozen games... (considering some people think hes such a great player).. and we can get T Bird to go out and play on the third forward for a bit across half back.. allow T Bird to run abit .., get the odd mark uncontested from Lappin or Stevo passes.. and just 'control' the centre corridor and push his half forward flanker to the boundary.. Make no mistake!!! T Bird has had it hard for 3/4 years.. playing a role he really shouldnt have to play week in week out for years since he was 18. ................by himself What are you on about easy kicks? There are no easy kicks. Campo's gone now who got his easy kicks the other night? Simpson? Don't think so. Just because our better players make it look easy doesn't mean it is. By the way Stephen Kernahan was a great player but he would have got his pants pulled down at full back the same way Lance would. Maybe but Sticks at least could play a key position and take a contested mark. All of Lances kicks were easy... cos what he does is he is nowhere near his man so when we have it hes alone... As a matter of fact i saw Jason Cloke play the Lance role much better than Lance today... it used to be the Jason Cloke role.. Lance watched Jason.. he studied him.. he became him but he just couldnt do it as well as Jase... You know why????Cos Jason Cloke tackled with intent today.... Lance doesnt tackle... He just enjoys getting out on his own... and waving his arms around... cos thats what you do alot of when the game is too fast for you.. you tell everyone else where to run.. cos you cant!!!