TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Eddie Mc Chins on the Blues

"In all honesty, I've said for a long time the AFL should just give back the million bucks (the fine for salary cap breaches)," McGuire said.

"They copped their whack, they got it in the draft, that's it - they can now fight their own way out of it like everybody else."

Ed's had a bit to say on a couple of AFL stories including us. He reckons we should be given back our $1m fine:

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from an article on:

http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,18434132-23211,00.html

Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it.

They don't have a draft so in comparison our penalty is incomparable. They sent a message to the other clubs alright: "Don't f**k with us or we'll do everything in our power but kick you out of the competition. We'll be the thing that you have nightmares about at night..." etc.

Over-the-top response in hindsight.

Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it.

If we had points to dock I would have loved them to do that to us, instead they docked our future - do you see the difference?

One club adjusts its books, apologies to the league and its members and has another plug the next year with added motivation.

The other gets put to its knees and kicked while lying on the ground screaming "STOOOOOP".

What they did to us was further cut up our lifebloods (youth and cash) while we were in a bad position already. They went too far. I'm not going to cry about it but they certainly went too far.

The one time I don't bother to check my facts... zing

On the same day on 3AW, Frank Costa said if a lease on a third ground centrally located to the CBD was beneficial to the AFL's forward projections - Geelong would support the taking over of the PP lease.

79Vintage wrote:

In all honesty, and I know this topic is fairly raw around here, but why should Costa's stance impress anyone.

I mean, why the flower should any supporter of any club celebrate the notion that their elected board members are making decisions "for the good of the game"?

The AFL centrally administers this sport to within an inch of its' life and I bet they rub their hands with glee whenever a Victorian Club puts their hand out, for it automatically ensures that they no longer have a contrary opinion to the establishment.

And this is what you lot should really be concerned about in the long run. Relinquishing the minute amount of independence that the all mighty AFL allow you and becoming part of the mindless groupthink mentallity that they want you to become.

Just like Frank Costa.

Author:	2ndeffort [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:36 am ]
Post subject:	Eddie Mc Chins on the Blues
Ed's had a bit to say on a couple of AFL stories including us. He reckons we should be given back our $1m fine: Quote: "In all honesty, I've said for a long time the AFL should just give back the million bucks (the fine for salary cap breaches)," McGuire said. "They copped their whack, they got it in the draft, that's it - they can now fight their own way out of it like everybody else." from an article on: http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,18434132-23211,00.html

Author:	Navy Blue Horse [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:49 am ]
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The fine was and is ridiculous, given we can go to the AFL and ask for support anway. I see one of the NRL teams starts the season with negative points due to salary cap breaches - that's what should have happened to us instead of the fine

Author:	thegezman [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:57 am ]
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they also copped about a 400k fine on top of loosing premiership points

Author:	stretford blue [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:57 am ]
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He wasn't all that magnanimous. I heard the radio interview and he was asked a specific question about whether the AFL should pick up the tab for the upkeep of Princes Park. His reply was really give them back the $1m fine and they need to sort the rest of the mess out themselves.

Author:	79Vintage [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:02 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Eddie Mc Chins on the Blues
2ndeffort wrote: Ed's had a bit to say on a couple of AFL stories including us. He reckons we should be given back our $1m fine: Quote: "In all honesty, I've said for a long time the AFL should just give back the million bucks (the fine for salary cap breaches)," McGuire said. "They copped their whack, they got it in the draft, that's it - they can now fight their own way out of it like everybody else." from an article on: http://foxsports.news.com.au/story/0,8659,18434132-23211,00.html This comment was made on 3AW in response to the AFL taking over the lease of Princes Park. The bit about us having to fight our own way back like everyone else, was McGuire pumping himself up like a catfish by inferring that Collingwood wouldn't support the AFL's suggested plan of taking over the PP lease. So basically Eddie is telling the AFL how to run their business, just like John Elliot used to do & he is showing zero sympathy to Carlton by blocking a move which would help our club in the future - there is no sympathy for Carlton & the exact opposite of what this article suggests. On the same day on 3AW, Frank Costa said if a lease on a third ground centrally located to the CBD was beneficial to the AFL's forward projections - Geelong would support the taking over of the PP lease.

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Author:	jimmae [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:47 am ]
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Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it. They don't have a draft so in comparison our penalty is incomparable. They sent a message to the other clubs alright: "Don't f**k with us or we'll do everything in our power but kick you out of the competition. We'll be the thing that you have nightmares about at night..." etc. Over-the-top response in hindsight.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:10 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it. They don't have a draft so in comparison our penalty is incomparable. They sent a message to the other clubs alright: "Don't f**k with us or we'll do everything in our power but kick you out of the competition. We'll be the thing that you have nightmares about at night..." etc. Over-the-top response in hindsight. Jimmy boy the fine was close to the end of the season and the bulldogs lost 37 competition points (18.5 games) . They went from first to last . People got wind of it happening and there was a massive plunge on them to win the spoon. As usual the bookies never paid up. The NRL did not miss them

Author:	jimmae [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:26 pm ]
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If we had points to dock I would have loved them to do that to us, instead they docked our future - do you see the difference? One club adjusts its books, apologies to the league and its members and has another plug the next year with added motivation. The other gets put to its knees and kicked while lying on the ground screaming "STOOOOOP". What they did to us was further cut up our lifebloods (youth and cash) while we were in a bad position already. They went too far. I'm not going to cry about it but they certainly went too far.

Author:	camel [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:39 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it. Yeah, but they were pinged about 3/4 the way through the season. They looked like dead certs for the flag, were sitting a few games clear on top of the ladder and had ALL their competition points taken away for that year. EDIT â€¦ don't mind me, a bit late to the party.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:41 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: If we had points to dock I would have loved them to do that to us, instead they docked our future - do you see the difference? One club adjusts its books, apologies to the league and its members and has another plug the next year with added motivation. The other gets put to its knees and kicked while lying on the ground screaming "STOOOOOP". What they did to us was further cut up our lifebloods (youth and cash) while we were in a bad position already. They went too far. I'm not going to cry about it but they certainly went too far. Jimmae they dont have a draft . If the AFL were to take points off us say start us on -32 points then it could be argued under the AFL system that they are helping us because come end of year you would have automatic selection of the top 2 draft picks. I do not for one minute condon what they did to us but what other choices did they have under this system . And the club has used this as an excuse for their poor performances where the issues relating to Carlton run far deeper that Goddard and Wells and a million dollar fine .

Author:	camel [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:43 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: If we had points to dock I would have loved them to do that to us, instead they docked our future - do you see the difference? One club adjusts its books, apologies to the league and its members and has another plug the next year with added motivation. The other gets put to its knees and kicked while lying on the ground screaming "STOOOOOP". What they did to us was further cut up our lifebloods (youth and cash) while we were in a bad position already. They went too far. I'm not going to cry about it but they certainly went too far. I agree that the AFL went to far, but our playing list had been badly managed in regards to embracing the draft for years. The AFL can't be held accountable for our own failure to utilise the draft as pretty much every other club. Remember, we're Caaaaaaaaarlton and we never rebuild! But, yeah, there's not much point going over old ground.

Author:	BrizzyBlue [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 1:09 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: Apparently the Bulldogs one a few years back (in the NRL) was as bad if not worse than ours, and they got a $1 mill fine, that was it. They don't have a draft so in comparison our penalty is incomparable. They sent a message to the other clubs alright: "Don't f**k with us or we'll do everything in our power but kick you out of the competition. We'll be the thing that you have nightmares about at night..." etc. Over-the-top response in hindsight. Not correct Jimbo. They were actually leading the competition at the time and looked unbeatable for the flag. ALL their points were removed and they copped a half mill fine and ended up with the spoon as a result. 2002 In August 2002 the Bulldogs were penalized 37 competition points and received a $500,000 fine as a result of instigating the game's largest and most complex Salary Cap breach. http://www.nrl.com.au/SalaryCap/tabid/272/Default.aspx Me too Humpy. I had started answering Jimmae, but got held up on the blower. The NRL link at least provides correct info.

Author:	jimmae [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:50 pm ]
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The one time I don't bother to check my facts... zing

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:20 pm ]
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jimmae wrote: The one time I don't bother to check my facts... zing Jimmae thats why its not a good idea to talk about facts i find it best to talk about bullshit then you dont get as offended when people point out you are wrong

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Author:	ADP [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:06 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Eddie Mc Chins on the Blues
79Vintage wrote: On the same day on 3AW, Frank Costa said if a lease on a third ground centrally located to the CBD was beneficial to the AFL's forward projections - Geelong would support the taking over of the PP lease. In all honesty, and I know this topic is fairly raw around here, but why should Costa's stance impress anyone. I mean, why the flower should any supporter of any club celebrate the notion that their elected board members are making decisions "for the good of the game"? The AFL centrally administers this sport to within an inch of its' life and I bet they rub their hands with glee whenever a Victorian Club puts their hand out, for it automatically ensures that they no longer have a contrary opinion to the establishment. And this is what you lot should really be concerned about in the long run. Relinquishing the minute amount of independence that the all mighty AFL allow you and becoming part of the mindless groupthink mentallity that they want you to become. Just like Frank Costa.

Author:	Wet Willie [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:10 pm ]
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I reckon Eddie secertly loves Carlton...

Author:	TheGame [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 5:13 pm ]
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ADP wrote: 79Vintage wrote: On the same day on 3AW, Frank Costa said if a lease on a third ground centrally located to the CBD was beneficial to the AFL's forward projections - Geelong would support the taking over of the PP lease. In all honesty, and I know this topic is fairly raw around here, but why should Costa's stance impress anyone. I mean, why the flower should any supporter of any club celebrate the notion that their elected board members are making decisions "for the good of the game"? The AFL centrally administers this sport to within an inch of its' life and I bet they rub their hands with glee whenever a Victorian Club puts their hand out, for it automatically ensures that they no longer have a contrary opinion to the establishment. And this is what you lot should really be concerned about in the long run. Relinquishing the minute amount of independence that the all mighty AFL allow you and becoming part of the mindless groupthink mentallity that they want you to become. Just like Frank Costa. Agreed, if we went to the AFL for a handout Carlton would never be the same again.

Author:	mikkey [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 6:02 pm ]
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Unfortunately too late.... I share the concerns, but we need help or the debt will kill us - no matter how good or innovative the board becomes with new blood.

Author:	blu944 [ Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:51 pm ]
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What I liked about the penalties given to the NRL teams is that they were tailored to each individual case. The Bulldogs were cheating the cap and clearly benefitting from it as they were next to unbeatable, thus they were stripped of any chance to win that season. The Warriors are battlers at best, so their 4 point penalty stings but still allows them to make the finals if they can significantly improve on their last year. We were on the bottom of the ladder and were clearly not benefitting any salary cap cheating - a premiership point penalty, fine or loss of home games would have been far more appropraite for a club in our situation.