TalkingCarlton :: View topic - Pagan:clubs still rort salary cap:Herald Sun

Last year's draft was the first in which the Blues had all their picks since the AFL caught them rorting the salary cap in November 2002.

After collecting their first wooden spoon, the Blues were fined $930,000 and lost their priority pick and selections in the first two rounds of the national draft.

They also lost their first two picks in the 2003 and '04 national drafts.

Jon Pierek never ceases to amaze.
His muckraking during the Max Grattan fiasco demonstrated his credibility.
Use it to wipe your bum.

Thats all his articles are good for.

Does the magazine have naked laddies in it because if it does I might add it to my collection :oops:

Fevolaaa, we did lose both our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2003 as well. The picks would have been no.4 and no.20 overall. We traded our 3rd round pick (no.35 overall) for Heath Scotland and traded our 4th round pick (no.51 overall) for Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford.

When Carlton was investigated the AFL stated at the time that it was in the process of investigating all 16 clubs. Nothing more was heard about it until the scum received a smack with a feather duster for their domain name breaches. The extent was never revealed but it only cost them <$100K in fines.

There was rumours of aints players benefitting from very lucrative property ventures courtesy of party's tied into Mr. Butters and these proceeds not being disclosed under the TPP. Nothing ever heard. There is also the latitude and concessions bestowed on Sydney and Brisbane and who knows how much the AFL decides to ignore violations that might occur up there in the quest for maximum promotional success.

All we know is that we apparently were "systematic salary cap rorters" and doesn't fat bastard love to repeat that ad nauseum! But never any details. Sure there were ulterior motives to the AFL severe handling of our breaches but the penalties were evidence of that. I might only be speculating but given that the entire league was essentially over the TPP through the 90's then it would not be too outrageous to suggest that some very creative schemes might be in place now to remunerate players and have amounts concealed.

Author:	Kouta [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:31 am ]
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Pagan:clubs still rort salary cap Herald Sun.

Author:	fevolaaaa [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 12:39 am ]
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Quote: Last year's draft was the first in which the Blues had all their picks since the AFL caught them rorting the salary cap in November 2002. After collecting their first wooden spoon, the Blues were fined $930,000 and lost their priority pick and selections in the first two rounds of the national draft. They also lost their first two picks in the 2003 and '04 national drafts. Horrible journalism, last year was the second year we had all our picks, and we didn't lose our first two picks in '04 (we lost none), or '03 for that matter, we only lost 1

Author:	Synbad [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:44 am ]
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Just another bizarre piece. Interestingly Swan thinks we need fresh blood.. and he was just in there. I still cant get my head around what a weird piece for a newspaper the jist of that was..... We have no clout in the media ....nothing.. zilch... Its like theyre taking the mickey out of us...!!!

Author:	Bookie [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 6:44 am ]
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We all feel duded and Pagan now under the kosh has decided to say something or if not Blundell has for him. Collo's policy of lets not fight city hall has failed us, and Elliot's lets fight everyone has failed us. We should never have let every side pretent to be a cleanskin and we were the evil "cheats". The assumption is we won sixteen flags cheating. It was one at most and in the friggin amnesty. We also won a spoon over the cap. Anyway if nothing else Patrick Smith will go into meltdown and relapse his 99 Prelim final depressive disorder. In the Age it's all about evil Carlton and Adrian Whitehead's compo claim another of the salary cap roting 1995 team, living the high life in Monte Carlo or Wodonga.

Author:	camel [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:26 am ]
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So long as we're not one of the clubs!

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Author:	The Duke [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:48 am ]
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It'd be a lot more plausible if he had most of his facts right. Is he a Sydeney journo? On the topic of TPP - it would not surprise me in the slightest, and I'm hopeful Pagan did say something 'off the record' because there's little doubt we (Elliott) were made a scapegoat for a failing system. The punishment galvanised the failings even more.

Author:	Synbad [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:53 am ]
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Even Alvin Purple is in on the act..... Thats what shits me. There is no semblence or point to that article.....

Author:	Bookie [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 7:56 am ]
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Buy Alpha magazine its a circus.

Author:	Sydney Blue [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:11 am ]
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Didn't Blundell used to write for the CFC Website . Has any bought the Magazine and read the full article Does the magazine have naked laddies in it because if it does I might add it to my collection

Author:	Pickle [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:25 am ]
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Carlton is a toilet at the moment and will be for quite some time. We can expect a lot of dumping on us for a while.

Author:	marciblue [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:35 am ]
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Alpha comes out tomorrow. It might have some bikini action so maybe worth your while SB! Fevolaaa, we did lose both our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2003 as well. The picks would have been no.4 and no.20 overall. We traded our 3rd round pick (no.35 overall) for Heath Scotland and traded our 4th round pick (no.51 overall) for Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford. The article falls over by the ridiculous amount of errors contained in it. Football journalism is at an all time low in this city. It is atrocious!! Because the AFL operates under so much secrecy and without transparency in their conduct we will never know what is really happening behind the scenes. To this day, no-one has ever been made aware of the true nature of our breaches, in monetary or numerical terms. Was it $1,000 or $1M? How did it compare to breaches discovered previously? Were the penalties justified? When Carlton was investigated the AFL stated at the time that it was in the process of investigating all 16 clubs. Nothing more was heard about it until the scum received a smack with a feather duster for their domain name breaches. The extent was never revealed but it only cost them <$100K in fines. There was rumours of aints players benefitting from very lucrative property ventures courtesy of party's tied into Mr. Butters and these proceeds not being disclosed under the TPP. Nothing ever heard. There is also the latitude and concessions bestowed on Sydney and Brisbane and who knows how much the AFL decides to ignore violations that might occur up there in the quest for maximum promotional success. All we know is that we apparently were "systematic salary cap rorters" and doesn't fat bastard love to repeat that ad nauseum! But never any details. Sure there were ulterior motives to the AFL severe handling of our breaches but the penalties were evidence of that. I might only be speculating but given that the entire league was essentially over the TPP through the 90's then it would not be too outrageous to suggest that some very creative schemes might be in place now to remunerate players and have amounts concealed.

Author:	MarkNo3 [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:41 am ]
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I bought the magazine this morning becuase I saw a snippet on the front cover "CARLTON:Angry and Fighting Back", so I assumed something positive for once. It mainly concentrated on the damage that Elliot has done to the club and the state that PP is in. The journo was appalled at the state of the facilities that the players put up with, given the wealth Carlton always appeared to have. The only really positive bits were to do with last years draft, mentioning that Bower at 17 is an absolute monster of a kid. It also mentioned that officials at the club feel that the AFL is doing its upmost to bend us over and @#$%&! our arse until be amalgamate, highlighting the fact that we all feel that Demitriou is a little cauliflower with and agenda to bring us down. Overall the article said very little about anything that most didnt already know and had very little to do with its heading about fighting back.

Author:	Wild Blue Yonder [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:59 am ]
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Published by News Ltd.

Author:	Blue Vain [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:15 am ]
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Jon Pierek never ceases to amaze. His muckraking during the Max Grattan fiasco demonstrated his credibility. Use it to wipe your bum. Thats all his articles are good for.

Author:	Hackenschmidt [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:46 am ]
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I stupidly got sucked into buying a copy of ''Alpha'' today and there is absolutely nothing new in Graeme Blundell's article. That Jon Pierik would write a ''news'' story on an interview conducted on 26/11/05 is lazy journalism at its worst. Of course other clubs rort the cap. They always have and they always will. Unlike Carlton, other clubs have come up with trickier, less obvious or harder to prosecute methods of cheating the cap. Eg, the shonky land deals mentioned earlier in this post, or Essendon's trick of paying Hird and Lloyd big money for ''permission to use their website domain''. One of Brisbane's sponsors was found to be paying some players for ''part time work'' a few years ago, yet this was given the all clear by the AFL. In the NRL, there seems to be someone breaching the salary cap every year. Why would the AFL be any different ? The mistake Carlton made under Elliott was to be so obvious and arrogant about it, which made the AFL feel that it had to be seen to be doing something. The announcement by the self righteous Ron Evans, long associated with that other serial salary cap rorting club Essendon, was sickening in the magnitude of its hypocrisy. Ditto Fatprick Smith.

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Author:	marciblue [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:23 am ]
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Blue Vain wrote: Jon Pierek never ceases to amaze. His muckraking during the Max Grattan fiasco demonstrated his credibility. Use it to wipe your bum. Thats all his articles are good for. I value my ar$e more than that BV! Another pseudo journalist attempting to sling mud at CFC. Whilst I prefer that we move on and focus more on improving the future of our club, Black Friday is a horrible memory that will never be forgotten by those with Navy Blue flowing through their veins. Maybe its time to be a bit more discreet about it though...

Author:	Kaptain Kouta [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:55 am ]
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Sydney Blue wrote: Does the magazine have naked laddies in it because if it does I might add it to my collection You're into the man-meat? I think I know why you hate Denis so much: unrequited sexual urges. Cue Blondie's Denis "oh Denis, be-doo I'm in love with you, be-doo"

Author:	fevolaaaa [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:33 am ]
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marciblue wrote: Fevolaaa, we did lose both our 1st and 2nd round picks in 2003 as well. The picks would have been no.4 and no.20 overall. We traded our 3rd round pick (no.35 overall) for Heath Scotland and traded our 4th round pick (no.51 overall) for Brett Johnson and Daniel Harford. Where did it say 'first two round picks'?? It said first two picks, and Walker would have something to say about that

Author:	tap in 79 [ Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:53 am ]
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marciblue wrote: When Carlton was investigated the AFL stated at the time that it was in the process of investigating all 16 clubs. Nothing more was heard about it until the scum received a smack with a feather duster for their domain name breaches. The extent was never revealed but it only cost them <$100K in fines. There was rumours of aints players benefitting from very lucrative property ventures courtesy of party's tied into Mr. Butters and these proceeds not being disclosed under the TPP. Nothing ever heard. There is also the latitude and concessions bestowed on Sydney and Brisbane and who knows how much the AFL decides to ignore violations that might occur up there in the quest for maximum promotional success. All we know is that we apparently were "systematic salary cap rorters" and doesn't fat bastard love to repeat that ad nauseum! But never any details. Sure there were ulterior motives to the AFL severe handling of our breaches but the penalties were evidence of that. I might only be speculating but given that the entire league was essentially over the TPP through the 90's then it would not be too outrageous to suggest that some very creative schemes might be in place now to remunerate players and have amounts concealed. "there are a number of other clubs still doing it." said Pagan. There would be nothing i would like more than to see some other clubs busted for cheating the cap. That is one way the AFL can prove they don't have it in for Carlton. Don't the eagles play their players with property deals too? why is that so hush-hush? Is Carlton forever going to be stained by the media and their vilification of our brand? or was our rorting so much worse than any other club? with that evil man as our president i wouldn't be surprised if this was the case. Still ... saying all this. I think it is important that we try and work WITH demetriou. He holds all the power and the more we aggravate him the more he will try and crush us like an enraged mafia hitman who hasn't eaten spaghetti meatballs for a week..... (sounds silly, i know) Hopefully something will come out of the Princes Park deal that can mean we can work together with the AFL.